The age old question about music policy.....

[industrialfreak]

... so due to the recent debates about wether the music was 'toilet' or 'blinding' i have decided to do a poll for the top floor would some other djs playing hard techno/gabber/hardcore/hardstyle be cool or do yu just want noise allll night?

[pyr0mantic]

I'm not strictly a noise follower but more of a EBMer, but I do enjoy a good bout upstairs. a dash of Gabber wouldn't be too bad, but hey I enjoy the noise and I'm willingly open to experimentation by Djs. Play it, see what works, what fills the floor and I'm not ashamed to dance with a empty floor. Introduce me to some new music.

[kylon]

Try doing a poll that actually has meaningful options on it... this is... well, asinine really.

[industrialfreak]

*sighs* i was trying to save space in other areas of the forum as well as getting a general feeling of peoples opinions instead of everyone having a rant as what happens with some of the threads, for my own clarification if nothing else. Dont say i never asked what people would like...

[kylon]

You haven't really asked what people want, since fomulation of your quesiton, or rather poll, is largely exlusive. If you are interested and wish to engender debate, then it needs to be formulated in way that welcomes and encourages opinions that happen to differ to yours, which I don't this really does.

[pyr0mantic]

You haven't really asked what people want, since fomulation of your quesiton, or rather poll, is largely exlusive. If you are interested and wish to engender debate, then it needs to be formulated in way that welcomes and encourages opinions that happen to differ to yours, which I don't this really does.

I disagree Kylon, you cant have a poll which encompasses all possible viewpoints, the number of questions would be indefinate. I think the poll is useful whereby, even though it doesnt have your answer it encourages viewers to debate and discuss their viewpoints. As I've read previously on this forum: You can only make some of the people happy all the time and all of the people some of the time. We now going off topic as well so..

As similarly stated give us variety, play something new. If it's rubbish we'll tell you, if it's good, ppl will fill the floor.

[Skylizard]

Even though i would love Noise all night that ain't going to happen. The top floor is the Industec floor and which should cover Industrial in all it's forms to cater for everyone. And with this No Gabba, Techno, Hardstyle, we have enough other clubs to acter for this. The Garage tried this mix music selection already and it doesn't work.
Some of the crap we've heard played upstairs probarbly wouldn't go amiss on the middle floor.

[Rivetmike]

My tastes (and it is only my taste not what I think the club should do).

Middle floor: EBM-lite (VNV, APOP, IOC etc.) and trad goth. (Much like it is now really....)

Upstairs: A pick from noise (sorry, but I'm including gabber and breakcore in this general definition), alternative dance (electroclash, techno etc.), dark electro (Noitekk type stuff Aslan Faction, Tactikal Sekt etc.) amd please can we have some old skool industrial sets thrown in? (Foetus, KMFDM, Chemlab, Cubanate etc.).

All depending on which DJs are available. As you know Matt, I love the noise (and your sets when I have caught them) but find an entire evening of it personally tiresome (Perhaps I don't have the stamina of the Snowwys on this world).

Rivetmike

[Lenorina]

A good poll....but I would change the "I don't care I'm a goth" option for something like "I don't enough enough of that music to give an opinion" :wink:

[kylon]

Possibly I'm being grouchy, but I still think you could choose more meaningful options than 'noise', 'Xover' whatever that is, and 'other'.

Anyway, my views are similar to Mike's. I too love noise, and I'm no way dissing your sets here Matt, 'cause I like 'em, but I what I really like is variety across te night. Even if that means some (shudder) electroclash.

[Skylizard]

My tastes (and it is only my taste not what I think the club should do).

Middle floor: EBM-lite (VNV, APOP, IOC etc.) and trad goth. (Much like it is now really....)

Upstairs: A pick from noise (sorry, but I'm including gabber and breakcore in this general definition), alternative dance (electroclash, techno etc.), dark electro (Noitekk type stuff Aslan Faction, Tactikal Sekt etc.) amd please can we have some old skool industrial sets thrown in? (Foetus, KMFDM, Chemlab, Cubanate etc.).

All depending on which DJs are available. As you know Matt, I love the noise (and your sets when I have caught them) but find an entire evening of it personally tiresome (Perhaps I don't have the stamina of the Snowwys on this world).

Rivetmike

So pretty much how it is now then Mike, except with Gabba and Breakcore included........ More music to get the townies\chavs in I guess.

[kylon]

yeah, i hear townies come from miles around to hear cubanate....

[Skylizard]

yeah, i hear townies come from miles around to hear cubanate....

They don't actually, but they do for the Electroclash , Ibiza Shite and Techno

[kylon]

So don't let them in. You're introducing an entirely different topic there and you know it. In anycase, that isn't really how it is now. I've been quite a bit this year, and has just been all noise on many occasions.

[Skylizard]

So don't let them in. You're introducing an entirely different topic there and you know it. In anycase, that isn't really how it is now. I've been quite a bit this year, and has just been all noise on many occasions.


YAWN, fuck me you're boring, i fell asleep reading your tripe.

[Rivetmike]

So pretty much how it is now then Mike, except with Gabba and Breakcore included........ More music to get the townies\chavs in I guess.

You obviously missed this disclaimer at the beginning of my post:

"My tastes (and it is only my taste not what I think the club should do). "

So I like some music that people who don't dress in black like. Oh the horror of it all............ ;)

Rivetmike

[kylon]

YAWN, fuck me you're boring, i fell asleep reading your tripe.

Dammit, i fell into that internet trap of arguing wth a 12 year old. Grow up and learn to be a proper troll, if that's your ambition in life.

[Skylizard]

YAWN, fuck me you're boring, i fell asleep reading your tripe.

Dammit, i fell into that internet trap of arguing wth a 12 year old. Grow up and learn to be a proper troll, if that's your ambition in life.




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[industrialfreak]

i think the question at the start sums up the poll...!?

I am trying to get peoples opinion on bringing in other djs that play more upbeat less noisy but still harsh stuff mixed with the noise to break up the evening, would you want it or not

Why do people not appreciate that some of us are trying to cater for everyones tastes by listening to what people have requested!?

Ah well ill know not to bother next time

*breathes*

[Skylizard]

i think the question at the start sums up the poll...!?

I am trying to get peoples opinion on bringing in other djs that play more upbeat less noisy but still harsh stuff mixed with the noise to break up the evening, would you want it or not

Why do people not appreciate that some of us are trying to cater for everyones tastes by listening to what people have requested!?

Ah well ill know not to bother next time

*breathes*

I think it's great that someone actually takes an interest, but unfortunately too many people will have there own interests at heart, IE Noize people will only want noise etc etc. Also people don't go to Slimes week in week out, (SP not included, i think he has a room in the back somewhere :) ) so you might try something going on afew people views and then those people aren't there to see it all happen.
TBH i think the best way for something like this to be tried is for you to go ahead and do it. I welcome the chance for you and others to try do something different, but trying to cater for everyones needs is going to be very difficult, and this is where we have all the hundreds of threads slagging DJs and music off has stemmed from, do try it though, if it doesn't work alll you have is a new thread here slagging the evening off :)

Good luck, you never know it just might work and you just might get some of the old regulars returning to the club...

[SP]

Yeah ... I think it's a great idea ... the more variety, the better! IMHO :mrgreen:

[Sin-RazorAngel]

i think the question at the start sums up the poll...!?

I am trying to get peoples opinion on bringing in other djs that play more upbeat less noisy but still harsh stuff mixed with the noise to break up the evening, would you want it or not

Why do people not appreciate that some of us are trying to cater for everyones tastes by listening to what people have requested!?

Ah well ill know not to bother next time

*breathes*

i think it's about time people were listened to personally.
and as LOTS of us have stated...not everyone wnats noize all night...honest.
BUT...what I..NOTE THE "I" there, don't want is that downstairs stuff upstairs,that just seems pointless to me.
I think yay you for listening.
Whether or not anything changes is a different matter tho.
All i can say is this.
The top floor surely should be industek as it is advertised?
Not playing electroclash?
An no i'm not saying play blinkin noise all night...you KNOW i lurrrrrrrrrrrrrve DE NOISE BUT I APPRECIATE THAT LOTS OF PEOPLE DON'T!
However,surely the top floor should be playing a good selection of noise,hard ass..NASTY NASTY techno, !!!!INDUSTRIAL!!!!, and even...some of that throbbing psy stuff...even i have danced to that because it was poundin.
*shrugs*

Maybe i'm wrong here?
But i'm sure i'm not the only one who thinks that electroclash and fluffy ebm has no place on the top floor?
Anyway i shut up now.
Because otherwise Fad will only tell me off :wink:
and he scares me :wink:

[Blink]

I am trying to get peoples opinion on bringing in other djs that play more upbeat less noisy but still harsh stuff mixed with the noise to break up the evening, would you want it or not


It is cool that you are trying, I think the point that some people are trying to make is that your poll only seems to cover aspects of noise/gabber etc, or goth, or "other".

Which means anyone into industrial/ebm/electroclash etc have to vote other, which seems strange for a club like Slimes.

And, for those of you thinking that EBM and other fluffy stuff has no place on the top floor, I have danced to VNV, Covenant, Delerium Apop and other stuff on the top floor in the last 4 - 5 years, even with some of the people who now claim it doesn't brlong there.

And IndustrialFreak (Matt?) please, do bring on some dirt techno/gabba etc, give those of us not into noise (or goth when Loki is on the middle floor (no offence Loki, just don't like the music)) somewhere to go, Slimes can be very boring when your choice is either goth or noise

[pyr0mantic]

And, for those of you thinking that EBM and other fluffy stuff has no place on the top floor, I have danced to VNV, Covenant, Delerium Apop and other stuff on the top floor in the last 4 - 5 years, even with some of the people who now claim it doesn't brlong there.

I think certain songs from these artists are playable on the top floor, namely Joy and Cold from VNV fit in and I've danced plenty of times up there to them, but I believe most of it should be kept to the middle floor.

[industrialfreak]

i may be a little short sighted but i could have sworn the poll was for 'the top floor' :wink:

Well my last outing to slimes saw me playing some hardcore, techno and hardstyle which, even a seasoned noise head like myself would agree, a good tune every now and then is a nice break from the harsh percusssive monotony that is noise (love it or hate it)

I totally agree that the top floor should be noise/hard as fuck but the actual poll is for crossover djs to come in (those that play aforesaid genres) and play an hour or so alongside Pete Francesca Mark Mac and myself (it was obviously a cleverly worded poll hehe)

EBM etc should be left to the middle floor as this is slime goth, ebm, noise on 3 respective floors, i cant help think some of us in here are missing the point and/or using this as an excuse to rant.

I am relativley new to Slimelight compared to some old timers (i have been clubbing here for 4 years and djing a mere 6 months) i have had exceptional nights and i have had utterly dire nights both musically and other, what i found was that the music barely changes and those djs that played noise into something a little more tunefull were far more appreciated by the throng (not thong!) of the dancefloor, some will dance to ANYTHING that is played were as others are more selective, i would love to play more of the techno/gabber/hardcore variety and when i have people have taken time to come over and compliment etc - which is nice - but these are few, i would also like to progress as a dj blending and experimenting with noise and techno for example (i have some killer technoise mixes lined up for my next outing) the point is do Slimes clubbers REALLY want to hear that or are they purists? Funny thing is i have people shouting at me to play faster and harder which only means the more mainstream genres.... so catch 22 and this is where we currently are debating whether or not these genres should be played, i believe the top floor should be 'progressive' noise and that the UK has talent to offer, tbh the best djs i have heard have been European and the UK is barely noticed scenewise so instead of harping on about this and that you should be encouraging and constructivley criticising djs not slagging them, the job of the dj is probably the hardest in the world (next to the bloke who is trying to find the 'one touch orgasm' spot of a woman lol) in other words VERY difficult


Thanks for the encouragement guys, i may be around for a while yet so plenty of time to experiment mwahahahahar (as long as you fuckers dance that is hehe)

Matt
:twisted:
ps i also plan to play a good old school set too :)

[Blink]

i may be a little short sighted but i could have sworn the poll was for 'the top floor' :wink:


EBM etc should be left to the middle floor as this is slime goth, ebm, noise on 3 respective floors, i cant help think some of us in here are missing the point and/or using this as an excuse to rant.

Does it say "Top Floor" in the question? :wink:

I totally support you when there are 3 Floors, there should be more distinction between the "EBM" floor, and the "Noise" floor.

When there are 2 Floors, well, I think the crux of the debate is what genres should the top floor cover.



you should be encouraging and constructivley criticising djs not slagging them, the job of the dj is probably the hardest in the world (next to the bloke who is trying to find the 'one touch orgasm' spot of a woman lol) in other words VERY difficult


Thanks for the encouragement guys, i may be around for a while yet so plenty of time to experiment mwahahahahar (as long as you fuckers dance that is hehe) .

DJing is a tough job (in as much as you get to play the music you like at a really high volume :wink:) But yes, it is always thankless, and any of my criticisms about the genres played on any particular floor, are not criticisms of the DJ, just of the music. And I think a lot of people don't appreciate good mixing, and fail to understand the difference between a DJ who can mix well and a DJ who plays songs they like [being more of an EBM fan, I like Steve's choice in music, but I wish he would try beat-matching occassionally].

You playing next weekend Matt? [11th] I hope to be there and will get someone to point out to me when you are playing.

[industrialfreak]

hopefully i will be there on the 11th i have to speak to Mac my tickets booked so if i am YAY if not YAY anyway coz ill be in London for pary :)

I commented underneath the poll stating this was more a top floor affair...

Its been ineteresting viewing peoples comments about this.

[Rivetmike]

i
:twisted:
ps i also plan to play a good old school set too :)

Cool, I know it's not a move that can be considered particuarly "foward thinking" but trad goth has it's own frequent (let's not start that argument ;)) home at Slime and I have thought that industrial/crossover has been neglected in the last year or so.

Rivetmike

[snoww_wwhite]

hello,

now there she comes you may think but i think i will now show you a different side to snowwy.

i agree totally with Skylizard on the techno thing. maybe one or two tracks okay but i seriously think there is something *industrial* missing in techno and as last night showed, i really do not like the townie crowd, as they seem to be quite annoying when they are there.

last night, i have also SHOCK HORROR!

danced to neofolk and errr avantgarde as it were, thank you very much Loki for that, i like that stuff.

i agree really that upstairs should be free from electroclash and techno (largely) because there is clubs for that and i know the cybers go there, i have met several.

i also still think that industrial gets a raw deal and i mean industrial as in old and new industrial, hence me liking to go to Strength Through Joy, even if it clashes with slimelight, i always come back after :D

yes i love noise hugely and i get bored, even if i dance, i cannot sit still when there is music, if i like it or not.
i have danced to breakbeats and i have to say Pete does those very well, so why more djs for that gengre?
i have danced to hardcore (neophyte or who ever cloned them ;) ) upstairs and i loved it too. i have though heard way too much techno there - please, i mean go to Fabric if you want that, again its bores me and noise has got more to offer than just heavy heavy pounding, Industrial Freak of all people must be well aware of that, no doubt.

last night i have also danced to VNV downstairs. and while i do not often do that, i enjoyed it at the time, so sue me.

but to summarise my thoughts:

i would like a pure industrial floor ideally and not attract townies or hippies with techno or gabber, as most townie blokes seem to think they just have to touch girls in corsets (like last night)

having said that, obviously the pure industrial floor would work best on a three floor night, where a goth floor. a diet- ebm floor (futuuure poop) electroclash and synthpop and an industrial stompy floor.

to be honest, if would make more sense to divide it like that as synthpop and futurepop and trance (that ibiza shite) go very well together and arent all that cutting edge anymore.

to finish this hardcore and dirty break beats might still be somewhat cutting edge but again there is clubs for it. there is not for noise and only very little for old industrial.

[DunkelEngel]

my way...

3 FLOORS situation:
- tradgoth, darkwave, some various
- futurepop, EBM, harsh EBM (e.g: Noitekk)
- powernoise, some psytrance [NO techno, NO house]

2 FLOORS situation:
- tradgoth, darkwave, some various. futurepop, EBM
- harsh EBM, powernoise, some psytrance

8)

[snoww_wwhite]

my way...

3 FLOORS situation:
- tradgoth, darkwave, some various
- futurepop, EBM, harsh EBM (e.g: Noitekk)
- powernoise, some psytrance [NO techno, NO house]

2 FLOORS situation:
- tradgoth, darkwave, some various. futurepop, EBM
- harsh EBM, powernoise, some psytrance

8)


see, you too forgot industrial *whines and whinges*

[DunkelEngel]

my way...

3 FLOORS situation:
- tradgoth, darkwave, some various
- futurepop, EBM, harsh EBM (e.g: Noitekk)
- powernoise, some psytrance [NO techno, NO house]

2 FLOORS situation:
- tradgoth, darkwave, some various. futurepop, EBM
- harsh EBM, powernoise, some psytrance

8)


see, you too forgot industrial *whines and whinges*
God created Strength Thru Joy to dance old industrial!
:D

[Rivetmike]

God created Strength Thru Joy to dance old industrial!
:D

This is as may be but I still *miss* dancing to it at Slime, which is a contributing factor to my lack of attendance over the last couple of months.

But I'm not moaning, there are now places that do play it frequently.

Rivetmike

[industrialfreak]

Ok

I think everyone is being a little too jumpy and hitting on the techno thing abit too much

so

to clarify:

these djs wont be there EVERY week they wont bring in the TRENDY clientele (besides which they wouldnt get in anyway) also techno will be played by myself every so often because it has the pace and melody i need to do what i want to do (add some really nasty shit thats what) the top floor should be progressive which means experimenting and playing with various styles, tbh psytrance is quite tame compared to hardstyle gabber and techno and is better crossed with EBM to be brutally honest - not that i dislike psytrance, the point is the top floor should be hard with some skilled djs with occasional retro moments dont see what the problem is tbh (IMHO)

/rant

So now

[TZAR]

... so due to the recent debates about wether the music was 'toilet' or 'blinding' i have decided to do a poll for the top floor would some other djs playing hard techno/gabber/hardcore/hardstyle be cool or do yu just want noise allll night? or was that toilet or bling bling???? :wink:

[snoww_wwhite]

my way...

3 FLOORS situation:
- tradgoth, darkwave, some various
- futurepop, EBM, harsh EBM (e.g: Noitekk)
- powernoise, some psytrance [NO techno, NO house]

2 FLOORS situation:
- tradgoth, darkwave, some various. futurepop, EBM
- harsh EBM, powernoise, some psytrance

8)


see, you too forgot industrial *whines and whinges*
God created Strength Thru Joy to dance old industrial!
:D

doubt that is was god but its only on once a month

[snoww_wwhite]

Why do people not appreciate that some of us are trying to cater for everyones tastes by listening to what people have requested!?


no i appreciate you asking seriously, its great to have DJs about who are enthusiastic. its just i find techno somewhat not errr industrial enough for my personal taste but its fine mixed in. i have heard a lot more of it at slimelight recently but i am a noisewhore... yeah occasionally a bit hardcore a bit gabber throw it my way and i will prolly dance to it, though my personal pre.. we had that...

i just get worried that it attracts yet more townies and sadly they still seem to get in... i sighted on a non-gig night some burberry skirt definetly much to not only my disturbance

also it seems sometimes that the DJs try to go too much the other way when the pounding noise stuff seriously gets people going, just cos you guys are good and you are trying your best... hence me posting far more positive night reviews and my thanks than bad ones and no thankies.

[Flux]

its just i find techno somewhat not errr industrial enough for my personal taste but its fine mixed in. i have heard a lot more of it at slimelight recently but i am a noisewhore... yeah occasionally a bit hardcore a bit gabber throw it my way and i will prolly dance to it, though my personal pre.. we had that...


I'll let you off cuz you did say "for your personal taste", but a quick FYI for all you naysayers...

Techno & Industrial music are a LOT closer related than you may think! ;)

If I could really be bothered I'd find you some history of music shit to back up the origins, but I can't...so make do with this handy "progression of music" spider chart (complete with samples of music from each genre! w00t!)

I fucking LOVE this site! (http://www.di.fm/edmguide/edmguide.html)

If you click on *ahem* TECHNO *giggles* you'll find your Industrial (Industrial techno aka NOISE *giggles*) just after...what's that you say? BANGING TECHNO?! Oh no! Surely not! ;) :lol:

Anyway, enough of this sarcasm stuff...I've made my point. But you might want to reconsider saying Techno isn't suitable for Slimelight...it's been around a lot longer than noise, and it's been played at Slimelight for as long as I've been going there...there's absolutely no reason for the two not to go hand in hand...bearing in mind noise is actually just a departure from techno anyway.

*case closed* (^_^)


Whatever, enjoy the site...it's an interesting little browse that one. Especially as you can sample the genres to get an idea of wtf it's all aboot!

(btw, you'll also find Industrial under Downtempo for artists such as Throbbing Gristle etc)



Industrialfreak...I'm with you mate, bring on the variation! I think what you're doing here, asking the community to get a feel for what is wanted music wise is great and I hope that the ideas that you get from this are at the very least considered :)
I fucking LOVE the noise and love getting my noise fix each week at Slime...but I don't want 100% noise week in week out...that'll make me do sleep.

[industrialfreak]

ta mate

i have seen similar sites - good one

(Flux is my friend hehe)

Shoudl, have an interesting mix of a couple of techno tracks for this weekend :)

[SP]

ta mate

i have seen similar sites - good one

(Flux is my friend hehe)

Shoudl, have an interesting mix of a couple of techno tracks for this weekend :)

.... Sounding good ... let's 'ave it!! :wink:

[Buddhist_Insect]

managed to get some Surgeon & Regis present British Murder Boys vinyls, which funnily enough is described by them as "industrial techno"
If anyone can help me record from Vinyl to Laptop (have got wavelab if that helps??) then can gift cdr's to any dj wishing to play it.

[industrialfreak]

you can do it if you have or know someone who has an external soundcard, take the line level from the turntable bang it into the scard and record i would advise against using the mic in on the laptop as this is preamped and sounds shite, if your lappy has a line in then give that a shot...:)

[Buddhist_Insect]

yes have external soundcard. ok will give it a go....

cheers!

[Blink]

If anyone can help me record from Vinyl to Laptop (have got wavelab if that helps??) then can gift cdr's to any dj wishing to play it.

You should just be able to take the output from your amp (the output from your deck will probably be too quite), and then connect it to your "line in" on your laptop (not the mic, as that is only mono). Hit record in wavelab, and record. WATCH YOUR LEVELS though, you don't want the levels be too loud (hot) going into your laptop, or it will distort.

If you aren't getting any signal, go to control panel, audio (I think), and get up your laptops mixer (where you control all the volumes from), and go to the "record" settings, and make sure that "line-in" is checked as your recording source.

That should do the trick. The quality of the recording will depend on how good the sound card on the laptop is, the quality of the amp/deck, and making sure you set the levels right when recording (it should only clip occassionally when recording, to keep a good volume, but not distort).

Hope that helps.

[If it is wrong, I am writing from memory at work!!]

[Skull_Fucker]

[quote=kylon]
I disagree Kylon, .
SOME BITCH HAD TO SAY SOMETHING MATE!

[industrialfreak]

thanks to everyone for your comments, good/bad/constructive/deconstructive and other for me this has been a worthwhile poll so far, any further suggestions welcome before buddhist_insekt changes this into a g33k thread lol :lol:

[RoryMoronik]

All this music snobbery totally sickens me, because its the same in most clubs up and down the country. You go to a techno night its techno for 6 straight hours, you go to a breaks club, its breaks all night long.

People want variety and a good DJ will play music that the clientele will want to hear even if they don't know it. Its up to the DJ to steer the direction of the music policy, thats why they're the DJ!

Being a DJ is not simply putting on your fave tunes, its about creating an atmosphere and giving the punters something that they'll go home and talk about. When I've played at raves the best feeling is someone coming up to you and saying" What the fuck was that? That was amazing!"

The more variety the better in my opinion, cos you don't wanna get pigeonholed and boring. Play anything from elektro to hard tek to doomcore to fucking Beyonce, as long as it is appropriate and people will like it (even if they don't want to).

Wot IndustrialFreak is trying to do is spot on, and people should not be afraid of change.
:twisted: :twisted:

[Buddhist_Insect]

thanks to everyone for your comments, good/bad/constructive/deconstructive and other for me this has been a worthwhile poll so far, any further suggestions welcome before buddhist_insekt changes this into a g33k thread lol :lol:

geek thread? me? what on earth do you mean? no seriously?
and why does everyone put insekt? im not cool enough to have funny spelling.
scratch that, im just not cool.

[industrialfreak]

Wot IndustrialFreak is trying to do is spot on, and people should not be afraid of change.


:twisted: change is gooooood as scenes stagnate :twisted: [/quote]

[Blink]

:twisted: change is gooooood as scenes stagnate :twisted:

A good DJ will lead the crowd so that they don't even notice that the scene is changing (other than those who fight change).

It is a hard balancing act between playing new, evolving music, and older, familiar stuff.

[And no, I am not criticising any particular DJ and saying they don't do any of the aboce]

[Guy13]

Damn...I missed this argu...discussion.

[gothic_diva]

too late but noise!!!!

[RoryMoronik]

noizegabbateknohardcoremoremremore!

[snoww_wwhite]

yeah noise is fantastic though i can understand that it would be too limited to dedicate one floor to noise for the whole night every saturday (though *i* wouldnt be bored ;) )

also i found that i really liked the way some Djs have lately included some more traditional industrial on the top, which was nice and appreciated!

[Kite]

I voted for Noize but let me be clear on what I want. It's the DJs responsibility to play the newest music and follow the trend of these genres. Right now it's about technoid and rhythmic noise. I don't see a problem with having techno, gabber, etc... integrated into sets as long as it's harsh and dark. That's what the top floor is all about. The second (middle) floor is perfect for futurepop, ebm, terror ebm, and even electroclash as the crowd is usually more easygoing. I really don't think the top floor is the place for old industrial either, save that for the second.

[RoryMoronik]

It's the DJs responsibility to play the newest music and follow the trend of these genres. Right now it's about technoid and rhythmic noise. I don't see a problem with having techno, gabber, etc... integrated into sets as long as it's harsh and dark. That's what the top floor is all about.

I agree totally.

The top floor should not be pigeon-holed to one type of music, you should be able to hear anything there if it is appropriate.

[ecclecticbb]

I voted for Noize but let me be clear on what I want. It's the DJs responsibility to play the newest music and follow the trend of these genres. Right now it's about technoid and rhythmic noise. I don't see a problem with having techno, gabber, etc... integrated into sets as long as it's harsh and dark. That's what the top floor is all about. The second (middle) floor is perfect for futurepop, ebm, terror ebm, and even electroclash as the crowd is usually more easygoing. I really don't think the top floor is the place for old industrial either, save that for the second.

As you are exiled in Texas, could you tell us how often do you come to Slimelight????

[snoww_wwhite]

actually, i was going to say that i quite liked the mixing of old industrial and yes, i would have rather pulled my right leg out a couple of weeks ago than to mention it but thank you Matt (not the legendary Implant Matt, who is usually playing cracking stuff as it is), it was nice to hear a few of the old industrial tracks and also having a bit of a time with less physically demanding stomp.. yet it was industrial and stomping :D

also, i would have NEVER in my wildest dreams expected to hear Boyd Rice being played on the top... thank you Francesca, what a surprise selection last saturday, not sure if many people could actually dance to Con-Dom, heh but we had a damn good try ;)

Pete played a STOMPTAGIOUSLY great set!

and while i thought it was a bit weak i preferred the set that Steve played at the end instead of the ibiza type of stuff Mak sometimes plays right near the end, though i felt a bit of Funker Vogt and Suicide commando followed by a bit of Grendel would have not been frowned upon either as they seem to go so well with Combi Christ.

all in all i am (get your calendars out and mark the occasion!!!) happy about last saturday, which was NOT all noise (though i never object to that, you guys know me) but mostly really good industrial and noise and a bit of this and that oh and Boyd Rice :D

where did Untermensch hide anyway? he was definetly missed :D

[snoww_wwhite]

As you are exiled in Texas, could you tell us how often do you come to Slimelight????

Kite eh?

SPOOKY is his name :P

Spooky he is.

he is missing in our stomp sessions....

[Kite]

Kite eh?

SPOOKY is his name :P

Spooky he is.

he is missing in our stomp sessions....

@Snowwy: I'll be back as soon as I can, promise :)

@ecclecticbb: I was a regular every week while I was in London, I'm just waiting for my work permit to come through then I'll be back. Just because I'm not there doesn't mean I don't keep up with the scene.

[stateofecstasy]

yeah noise is fantastic though i can understand that it would be too limited to dedicate one floor to noise for the whole night every saturday (though *i* wouldnt be bored ;) )

also i found that i really liked the way some Djs have lately included some more traditional industrial on the top, which was nice and appreciated!

I agree, I love noise, but I like the mix with the music, july 23rd's set was very good.

[industrialwarrior]

well i'm still catching up on the posts and things on here, but i thought the music was okay the other day (30th july).... now bearing in mind it was only my 2nd time in there, and the first time was a few years ago (the joy of working sundays.... NOT!!)... back then i was predominantly into metal music but nowadays i've *ahem* crossed over....

people can argue til they are blue in the face about what music should be on which floor, i was of the impression that the lower floor played goth and ebm (as in vnv, apop, covenant and the like), and the upstairs floor was more industrial based.... i wanted to hear stuff like dulce liquido, hocico, combichrist, agonoize, suicide commando.... someone told me this stuff is more likely to be played on the "goth" floor... well, i heard "hellraiser" in there but that was it, despite having made my requests a few times, with different djs....
if i had made those requests upstairs would i have been laughed at? you see, it's kinda hard when the industrial scene is split into all those sub categories....

so... is the harsh, evil-sounding ebm/elektro stuff i just mentioned solely suited to the lower floor?

and i listen to a lot of different styles... i like goth, ebm, elektro, and all different forms of industrial music, i just like it to sound dark, and evil....

perhaps someone can enlighten me... :)

[snoww_wwhite]

well i'm still catching up on the posts and things on here, but i thought the music was okay the other day (30th july).... now bearing in mind it was only my 2nd time in there, and the first time was a few years ago (the joy of working sundays.... NOT!!)... back then i was predominantly into metal music but nowadays i've *ahem* crossed over....

people can argue til they are blue in the face about what music should be on which floor, i was of the impression that the lower floor played goth and ebm (as in vnv, apop, covenant and the like), and the upstairs floor was more industrial based.... i wanted to hear stuff like dulce liquido, hocico, combichrist, agonoize, suicide commando.... someone told me this stuff is more likely to be played on the "goth" floor... well, i heard "hellraiser" in there but that was it, despite having made my requests a few times, with different djs....
if i had made those requests upstairs would i have been laughed at? you see, it's kinda hard when the industrial scene is split into all those sub categories....

so... is the harsh, evil-sounding ebm/elektro stuff i just mentioned solely suited to the lower floor?

and i listen to a lot of different styles... i like goth, ebm, elektro, and all different forms of industrial music, i just like it to sound dark, and evil....

perhaps someone can enlighten me... :)

as you said, its largely a matter of definition and personal choice of the dj it seems but generally speaking the top floor seems dedicated mainly to noise and heavy industrial or the electronic type plus some techno, some other stuff which is far too ibiz errr horrid to mention ;)

IMHO the music has become a hell of a lot better in recent months and not just in terms of the noise, which i love most of all but also some really good old indudtrial stomp was heard lately and IIRC Matt was the main bloke to do so. if you ask me, i think the top could live totally without techno unless its extremely filthy and noisey and i personally do not object to some creepy and stompy terror ebm and crossover style.

yeah, i agree i do not mind a bit of hocico and also some of the suicide commando, feindflug and funker vogt also combi christ though its all too easy to fall into the "we play just that stuff now" trap and become a smaller version of the lower floor as it will fill the dancefloor quite nicely and i hope that was never really the ONLY criteria for what was played upstairs.

having said that the very pounding noise as played by Untermensch (are you back this weekend?) almost always fills the dancefloor with heavily stomping people and i think he has so far had consitently the best selection of noise, though i very much like Francesca, (Implant) Matt and Pete too.

having said that, i crave another night like the night when Xotox played and there was stomping noise all night.. or the night in january.. or the night in february when we were almost killed by the energetic noise the djs blasted at us :D

ooooh fond memories!

[Skull_Fucker]

Try whatever you deem acceptable at the time Matt, because if you cant read the crowd & supply them with what they want or need to keep them dancing then by rights you have no business dj'ing in the first place.
Dont get me wrong as I like your sets too, especially when they stop *nudge,nudge*.
Its a good practice,to one I live-by myself of finding out your customers influences so that future performances may be more suitable to their needs as not to disappoint anyone but you would be winning your own posts debate if only you had opened your optional feeds more for people to answer is what those who query your comments have a problem with I think you'll find.
No-One is disrespecting the dj's that play of their musical ability directly, but if you gave a more open field to offer their views on then you may find them too be a little more receptive.Its a dj's discipline to promote new music alongside the old aswell but never forgetting how to keep the floor entertained by reading between the lines too.You will never know if new tunes work or not if you dont take the chance in the first place by showing the punters your confident in your own music.
Go ahead & if it dont work out then switch to something that will that you know is more acceptable.
Dont be afraid to play anything as a fault in your confidence will result in your music with everyone noticing.
Carry on with all your Noize stuff through to Upbeat/breaks etc that your renouned for but slyly slip a fresh tune on from time to time in amongst your set somewhere like.
Play AC/DC...That'll shock 'em haha!,but I bet your security team are entertained.
Seriously tho, a piece of information that Mac gave me when I first played years back made me feel so much more comfortable with what I put on so maybe you can apply it to your confidence everytime you question your own ability:
"Relax into the evening as musical influences dont carry much weight when they would dance just the same if you banged a steel drum with a stick to produce the same results".
A funny & truthfull comment,*wink*.
You need to play more mate so everyone can chat ya missus up.

[DemonKnight]

Try whatever you deem acceptable at the time Matt, because if you cant read the crowd & supply them with what they want or need to keep them dancing then by rights you have no business dj'ing in the first place.
Dont get me wrong as I like your sets too, especially when they stop *nudge,nudge*.
Its a good practice,to one I live-by myself of finding out your customers influences so that future performances may be more suitable to their needs as not to disappoint anyone but you would be winning your own posts debate if only you had opened your optional feeds more for people to answer is what those who query your comments have a problem with I think you'll find.
No-One is disrespecting the dj's that play of their musical ability directly, but if you gave a more open field to offer their views on then you may find them too be a little more receptive.Its a dj's discipline to promote new music alongside the old aswell but never forgetting how to keep the floor entertained by reading between the lines too.You will never know if new tunes work or not if you dont take the chance in the first place by showing the punters your confident in your own music.
Go ahead & if it dont work out then switch to something that will that you know is more acceptable.
Dont be afraid to play anything as a fault in your confidence will result in your music with everyone noticing.
Carry on with all your Noize stuff through to Upbeat/breaks etc that your renouned for but slyly slip a fresh tune on from time to time in amongst your set somewhere like.
Play AC/DC...That'll shock 'em haha!,but I bet your security team are entertained.
Seriously tho, a piece of information that Mac gave me when I first played years back made me feel so much more comfortable with what I put on so maybe you can apply it to your confidence everytime you question your own ability:
"Relax into the evening as musical influences dont carry much weight when they would dance just the same if you banged a steel drum with a stick to produce the same results".
A funny & truthfull comment,*wink*.
You need to play more mate so everyone can chat ya missus up.
You retard...you talking about the wrong Matt!
Your talking about Matt C.

[DerOberst]

I love the noise but i think at times a crossover of stuff wouldnt hurt,even though i dont like stuff like the techno stuff it would be nice to hear some more harsher ebm stuff though the last few times upstairs the djs have blown me away for which i thank you,for turning me into a quivering heap

[darklyng]

Surely the important thing is the dancing? The dance floor is pretty empty most of the night, as far as I can see - most of the noise that gets played just isn't for dancing to. There are more people dancing at six in the morning to Steve's set, supposedly a downstairs DJ, than there are at 2am to the mainstay upstairs DJs. Isn't that quite telling?

People say there are clubs that you can go to where you will hear elctroclash and trance. Will someone please tell me when I can go to hear EBM, electro and industrial trance, and perhaps I won't renew my Slimelight membership. I love going to Slimes and have been a regular dancer upstairs for many years, but seriously, I hardly even bother checking to see who's on up there now. Can we please have something that it's possible to dance to, at least for a couple of hours a night?

[dwellems]

Surely the important thing is the dancing? The dance floor is pretty empty most of the night, as far as I can see - most of the noise that gets played just isn't for dancing to. There are more people dancing at six in the morning to Steve's set, supposedly a downstairs DJ, than there are at 2am to the mainstay upstairs DJs. Isn't that quite telling?

People say there are clubs that you can go to where you will hear elctroclash and trance. Will someone please tell me when I can go to hear EBM, electro and industrial trance, and perhaps I won't renew my Slimelight membership. I love going to Slimes and have been a regular dancer upstairs for many years, but seriously, I hardly even bother checking to see who's on up there now. Can we please have something that it's possible to dance to, at least for a couple of hours a night?

Right on!!!
Some nights I don't even leave the dance floor but then there are some nights I'm too trashed to notice whats playing!!

[snoww_wwhite]

Right on!!!
Some nights I don't even leave the dance floor but then there are some nights I'm too trashed to notice whats playing!!


heh, do you think the guys who hop on the spot to whatever music is playing, notice what they are hopping to or not?

;)

[dwellems]

heh, do you think the guys who hop on the spot to whatever music is playing, notice what they are hopping to or not?

;)
Good point! Love dancing to most of the music but when I'v over done it I find myself a corner and watch..

[snoww_wwhite]

Good point! Love dancing to most of the music but when I'v over done it I find myself a corner and watch..


i dont seem to ever be able to stand still at all when there is music and especially noise, exception was when i took my couple of excursions at a couple of german festivals when some nutter gave me extasy, doesnt seem to agree with me and my need for dancing.

how do the kids do it? i just went floppy and unable to keep my balance.

[dwellems]

i dont seem to ever be able to stand still at all when there is music and especially noise, exception was when i took my couple of excursions at a couple of german festivals when some nutter gave me extasy, doesnt seem to agree with me and my need for dancing.

how do the kids do it? i just went floppy and unable to keep my balance.
This might sound odd coming From me... I dont like extesy coz it makes me go the same..

[Azazel]

pure E just gives you a high. Most of the junk we get also has speed or K in it and that gives you energy. Most of the E brands should give you a high for about an hour and then give you so much energy that you have to do something physical, eg dance.

[industrialwarrior]

i love to stomp along to any good industrial tunes really, whether it's on the middle or the top floor. I tend to have a "unique" dancing style (last time I went in July, a guy who knew me from the Coven in Luton recognised me "because of my dancing".. I found that quite perplexing!!)

However I wasn't dancing properly this time round cos I'm still taking it easy with the knee, hopefully that will have improved still further by the 8th and I can stomp properly again :D

axx

[snakelegs]

pure E just gives you a high. Most of the junk we get also has speed or K in it and that gives you energy. Most of the E brands should give you a high for about an hour and then give you so much energy that you have to do something physical, eg dance.
Agree as you could see last saturday.
But on the other side I'd like to get rid of that.

[snoww_wwhite]

pure E just gives you a high. Most of the junk we get also has speed or K in it and that gives you energy. Most of the E brands should give you a high for about an hour and then give you so much energy that you have to do something physical, eg dance.


or one could simply stay off that stuff as its not really that good for you....
and i think it has killed a few people, also as i said, i tried and was very ill from it for at least about 36 hours - not nice. did not think i was going to make it home by train and plane - not good.

[DerOberst]

Agree as you could see last saturday.
But on the other side I'd like to get rid of that.
ahhhhh not the dreaded k hole, bleggghhhhhh!!!!!

[dwellems]

pure E just gives you a high. Most of the junk we get also has speed or K in it and that gives you energy. Most of the E brands should give you a high for about an hour and then give you so much energy that you have to do something physical, eg dance.

You should get a job where I work...We are looking ppl just like yourself to try out new products.. So send me your CV, then we can call you Azazel's_sa_dwellems;)

[Azazel]

LOL, nice idea. but doing drugs as a job is just not cool. I try not to take drugs often i dont want it to become an everyday addiction. I think its fine to let loose every once in a while but theres no need to do it everyday.

[dwellems]

LOL, nice idea. but doing drugs as a job is just not cool. I try not to take drugs often i dont want it to become an everyday addiction. I think its fine to let loose every once in a while but theres no need to do it everyday.
< You should'nt beleave everything you read here..>
Maybe I really work for a very large pharmaceutical company, reserching new drugs....

[bleepstrix]

Its much preferable when the upstairs has breaks of old skool industrial and harsh ebm/ harder remixes of ebm tracks in between the noize.

Slimelight was always the place for innotavive music, and it still is in some sense (mainly noize), but alot of the newer EBM bands never really get a chance on the dance floor- as the bottom/middle floor tends to stick to big classics and they rarely get a chance up stairs with it being dominanted by noize. Steve and Matt C are two djs that I can point out for fitting newer tracks into their sets... which is awesome, but like this week when neither of them or Nils I believe were djing the lack of new tunes was noticeable.

Of course the old favourites are a must... but it is nice to have those "educational" tracks as such fitted in as well. After all it is not as simple as just being able to turn the radio on in your car/ home (unless online) to hear the latest tunes in the EBM scene, it is down primarily to what is played in the clubs.

Bands like PTI, 8kHz Mono, Les anges de la nuit, necessary response, analogue brain for example have been over looked by most djs in favourite for the old safe classics, and I know that many people would appreciate newer tracks that they don't necessarily recognise, so they can discover new bands and expand their collection, many EBM fans are not just clubber but real music appreciators... and are not just wanting music that they recognise to dance to week in, week out, club in, club out-- they want the chance to experience new music too.

I am a noize fan myself , don't get me wrong, but I also like a wide variety of music old and new and sometimes it does feel like Slimelight is pushing its noize element to extremes and leaving developments in the other sub-genres behind.

[Eketar]

yea i agree. obviously classic club hits are a must to get everyone on the dance floor, but new stuff should be mixed in with the songs everyone wants to hear. i know that many djs do this, but i dont think it is done wideley enough.

[unbeliever]

now... 3 floors and a cinema... where to go with this one...

noise, dark electronic and the likes of suicide commando, wumpscut etc with visuals in the cinema, depending on the normal reception of the movies (having not yet been there when one is on)

ebm lite (basically, advanced synthpop, stuff thats a little too bleepy for my upcoming suggestion for the goth floor) and industrial (in the vein of KMFDM, saints of eden, ministry, zeromancer and cubanate) in room 2 (G

goth, punk, new wave and alternative 80's/synthpop, playing things along the lines of sisters, creattures, nephillem, soft cell, faith and the muse, banshees, cruxshadows, rome burns, D.A.F. kraftwerk, the clash, the damned etc... you get the picture

and the remaining floor for alternating other types of alternative music/performance art - maybe an ear friendly electroclash night one night, (fischerspooner, vive la fete, etc) drone noise (jazzfinger, boris, burning star core, kknull etc) digital hardcore (self explanatory) or even (god forbid) some more obscure 80's indie (turkey bones,, rubella ballet, wire, world domination enterprises, cabaret voltaire etc)


god damn it i think ive just given myself the ultimate wet dream of a nightclub...lol!


(5h1t - forgot psychobilly - sorry!

[Byakhiam]

Let me be the first to say "Please no, not this". ;)

[ath]

let me be the first to agree with tapani ;)

i agree with the dj'ing problem mentioned above of playing it safe so to speak, slimes should be a little more cutting edge (not that the dj's don't do a good job already)

can i just say i have seen nothing mentioned along the veins of tumor [x]-RX sam etc, non lyrical industrial but not noise and extremely dance able.

top floor - noise aggrotech a little harsh ebm (some psytrance at certain points in the night?) mostly dancable non lyrical industrial, i do like the sound of A LITTLE gabber but i don't like the idea of having whole sets of it, there are plenty of other clubs/free party rigs for that but very few for industrial and well i was under the illusion that slimelight was an industrial club

middle floor-ebm of all types (with djs applying beat synchronisation, so each song flows into the next instead of individual songs being good but there being that period of waiting between each song were it all sounds out of sync and dancing is difficult)

bottom floor - trad goth etc

2 floor -

top - powernoise aggrotech more general ebm, basically the same as above only with more ebm

middle - lighter (in general) ebm, old school industrial, trad goth

[EBMan]

I think the middle floor is starting to become like the Ministry of Sound for Alternative - week in week out, they churn pretty much the same rotation of big hits and dance floor fillers. Of course, this cannot be helped as theres nothing more atmospheric than seeing the crowd enjoy a good tune - i am often one of the mugs dancing to those same catchy beats -
Though I am left with a sense of longing for more original bands to be heard - the scope of Industrial/EBM/Futurepop reaches far and wide, but rarely do we hear any original bands being played. I do remember one occasion when one of the DJs played Haujobb and Dismantled on the same set, and still managed to keep the crowd happy - So all in all , what i am asking for is more diversity on the middle floor - otherwise i will start looking upstairs for more original sounds....

[snoww_wwhite]

I think the middle floor is starting to become like the Ministry of Sound for Alternative - week in week out, they churn pretty much the same rotation of big hits and dance floor fillers. Of course, this cannot be helped as theres nothing more atmospheric than seeing the crowd enjoy a good tune - i am often one of the mugs dancing to those same catchy beats -
Though I am left with a sense of longing for more original bands to be heard - the scope of Industrial/EBM/Futurepop reaches far and wide, but rarely do we hear any original bands being played. I do remember one occasion when one of the DJs played Haujobb and Dismantled on the same set, and still managed to keep the crowd happy - So all in all , what i am asking for is more diversity on the middle floor - otherwise i will start looking upstairs for more original sounds....

i think both floors need a bit of passion again... and i do object to chav shite being played and old EBM being forgotten about... sometimes you get a great night but then its back to the bad disco gone wrong ... which is most certainly the case upstairs.

[snoww_wwhite]

let me be the first to agree with tapani ;)

i agree with the dj'ing problem mentioned above of playing it safe so to speak, slimes should be a little more cutting edge (not that the dj's don't do a good job already)

can i just say i have seen nothing mentioned along the veins of tumor [x]-RX sam etc, non lyrical industrial but not noise and extremely dance able.

top floor - noise aggrotech a little harsh ebm (some psytrance at certain points in the night?) mostly dancable non lyrical industrial, i do like the sound of A LITTLE gabber but i don't like the idea of having whole sets of it, there are plenty of other clubs/free party rigs for that but very few for industrial and well i was under the illusion that slimelight was an industrial club


hurrah, i have been saying that for years if i remember correctly!



middle floor-ebm of all types (with djs applying beat synchronisation, so each song flows into the next instead of individual songs being good but there being that period of waiting between each song were it all sounds out of sync and dancing is difficult)



"Dance as if no one were watching, Sing as if no one were listening, And live every day as if it were your last”

[HalberMensch2x4]

I've no objection to a bit of gabber, it's good fun. Johnny Violent in particular, but you can't go wrong with a load of cheesy Dutch hardcore. o0ntz.