THe music was awesome this weekend - Cheers

[Dr_absinthe]

Should he change his name to "wasnotawake" :p

[wasnotgod]

LOL,s aint gonna argue there, im a light weight when it comes to slimes, but promise i will stay and here one of your set's, like i said you made the Dev worth going to

[Dr_absinthe]

You need to dude. The Dwellems is playing some rather stompy shit of late. I still have an icepack on my knee to prove it!

[wasnotgod]

Claims direct.com :P

[Dr_absinthe]

Hehe. MAK! Where's your insurance, I'm suing your DJ ^_^

[Silversurfer]

And I have just made so much noise listening to them free downloads!!
I'm thinking maybe some one was banging on the wall earler on??;)

[ineversaidthat]

last night was my first foray into slimes this year...
..and a most enjoyable one at that :)

mark was on fine form upstairs, his second set was inspired and a surprise mid slimes set from mak had the top floor packed.

and none of the shutting the industek floor at half six nonsense this week either.

i left tired, happy and sated :D

[Byakhiam]

Yeah, it was a lot of fun last night. Nicely busy too, and on the middle floor Simon and Steve were on top form, keeping everyone up and moving until late. But I guess things got a bit too tired downstairs after 4 AM or so.

To be honest, I was tired myself too. It's hard to do all night without energy drink if you're used to having it, like I am. But it's healthier not to. :D

[Flux]

It's news like that that make me wish I'd gone, but still, it's not all bad...I was hunting zombies ;)


mark was on fine form upstairs, his second set was inspired and a surprise mid slimes set from mak had the top floor packed.

and none of the shutting the industek floor at half six nonsense this week either.


^^^ More of this please ^^^

[untermensch]

Yeah, Mak played 3 sets! Awesome!

[dwellems]

Most awesome night with enough slimelighters dancing most of the night including myself! Two blinding sets from Mak and Untermensch!!

My first set was very fast, noisy and very experimental new tunes and maybe too fast??
My last set playing with the Doc had some sound hiccup's at the beginning, not enough sound coming from Doc's laptop but in the end we managed to keep the dance floor going.. "Cheers for that"
This is not the end for The Doc, just a beginning as we will be hearing from him soon!! (Hopefully)
I like the way this Dude mixes and the Awesome mixing we did before slimes in da Kitchen...:D

[CIW]

out of curiosity, what OS / player you people use on your laptops up there?

[untermensch]

GEOS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEOS_(8-bit_operating_system)) and a nice chiptune player, of course!

[ineversaidthat]

GEOS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GEOS_(8-bit_operating_system)) and a nice chiptune player, of course!

don't listen to his lies. i've seen his laptop, and it's definitely running TOS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_TOS) with the standard POKEY chip.

[untermensch]

don't listen to his lies. i've seen his laptop, and it's definitely running TOS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_TOS) with the standard POKEY chip.

Blast, no pulling the wool over your eyes, Dave

[Silversurfer]

Best night I had in a long while!!!
Totally enjoyed Dwellems fast set followed by Untermensch's Aaaawesome set..
Don't know how played the set after?? But it was a Aaaawesome set!!!
Thanks to all
Nat xx

[ineversaidthat]

Don't know how played the set after?? But it was a Aaaawesome set!!!

that'll be mak

[Dr_absinthe]

Most awesome night with enough slimelighters dancing most of the night including myself! Two blinding sets from Mak and Untermensch!!

My first set was very fast, noisy and very experimental new tunes and maybe too fast??
My last set playing with the Doc had some sound hiccup's at the beginning, not enough sound coming from Doc's laptop but in the end we managed to keep the dance floor going.. "Cheers for that"
This is not the end for The Doc, just a beginning as we will be hearing from him soon!! (Hopefully)
I like the way this Dude mixes and the Awesome mixing we did before slimes in da Kitchen...:D

The first set was certainly fast, but definitely not out of place. That's why I still have cramp today!

As for my daft computer, a few soundcard options have been found, I just have to decide how much I'm going to spend on the thing now!

Anyway, all of the sets I danced to were awesome. Thanks to all the Dj's and of course Mak for three pretty much perfect sets. I can't remember the last time I heard Mak open and close the top floor!

[Silversurfer]

that'll be mak

So thats him! Aaaawesome to look at too!:p
I'm sorry I didn't stick around for Dwellems & Doc's set..

[Byakhiam]

I think I generally prefer the goth nights at Slimes. Not because I'd be going to the goth floor, but rather that the middle floor music seems to be better then for some reason.

And yeah, last night was such a good night. Lots of people again and with Simon & Steve playing in turns from 11 to 6:15, with seriously good and varied sets, I had many moments during the night when I wanted to get some water or have a breather, but just couldn't as the music was too good.

Really, the biggest reason why I think Steve & Simon are the best DJs of the house is that they've both got a good range of music they can and like to play, from different genres, both old and new etc. There is obviously stuff that tends to get played most weeks, but still they tend to spring surprises most weeks to keep you on your toes. And that's really important if you go on a regular basis to avoid it getting boring.

[Silversurfer]

Really, the biggest reason why I think Steve & Simon are the best DJs of the house is that they've both got a good range of music they can and like to play, from different genres, both old and new etc. There is obviously stuff that tends to get played most weeks, but still they tend to spring surprises most weeks to keep you on your toes. And that's really important if you go on a regular basis to avoid it getting boring.

Next thing you be wanting their posters on your bedroom wall?!
There was a time I was thinking there might be something in your head but now.....? Simom Simon and more Simon and a wee bit of Steve...

[Byakhiam]

Next thing you be wanting their posters on your bedroom wall?!
There was a time I was thinking there might be something in your head but now.....? Simom Simon and more Simon and a wee bit of Steve...

LOL.

I could compare them to the other DJs to show exactly why their good qualities are good. But I don't want to start flame-wars or anything by starting to "slag off" other DJs.

I've been going to Slimelight for more than three years most weeks. And I've heard a lot of other DJs play, in Slimes and also places like WGT, Infest and other places where quality DJs gather. So, I've got material to compare them to, it's not some sort of obscene "hero-worship" :p

[industrialwarrior]

I have a good night in Slimes when the DJs play stuff to my tastes, and actually honour my requests (and that's not just the Tactical Sekt ones, either!).

Also, if my knee is strong and I can dance properly it puts me in a better mood...

Steve and Simon usually do the job for me on the mid-floor though.

[ineversaidthat]

Really, the biggest reason why I think Steve & Simon are the best DJs of the house is that they've both got a good range of music they can and like to play, from different genres, both old and new etc. There is obviously stuff that tends to get played most weeks, but still they tend to spring surprises most weeks to keep you on your toes. And that's really important if you go on a regular basis to avoid it getting boring.

Next thing you be wanting their posters on your bedroom wall?!
There was a time I was thinking there might be something in your head but now.....? Simom Simon and more Simon and a wee bit of Steve...

lols :D

have you heard any of mak's sets tapani?

[dwellems]

lols :D

have you heard any of mak's sets tapani?
Lol!!
Nah dude, he's to busy dancing on the middle floor..

[DJ_Horny_Simon]

How scary posters of me and Steve, yuk.......
Everyone knows Mak & Uwe are the best DJs at Slimes

[Aztec]

Everyone knows Mak & Uwe are the best DJs at Slimes

If you like the industec floor then that is true.

[Aztec]

If you like the industec floor then that is true.

Although it's all a matter of opinion and personal taste.

[Byakhiam]

have you heard any of mak's sets tapani?

Yes, plenty. :p

I've heard sets from more or less every DJ that has played Slimes at least three times last three years. :p

[DJ_Horny_Simon]

Well that`s my opinion, that`s based on both Mak & Uwe mixing ability which are far better than anyone

Regards middle floor Steve is the best DJ

[Byakhiam]

Well that`s my opinion, that`s based on both Mak & Uwe mixing ability which are far better than anyone

Yeah, I can definitely agree with that, especially with regards to Mak.

But being a DJ is not just about mixing, but also about the music being played.

[ineversaidthat]

Well that`s my opinion, that`s based on both Mak & Uwe mixing ability which are far better than anyone
'cept maybe messrs panik & pete ;)

[DJ_Horny_Simon]

As i said my opinion, not getting dragged into that one........

Of course Nik and Pete are quality DJs who are excellent at what they do....

Im just going by who has made me dance the most over the years

[Flux]

Yeah, I can definitely agree with that, especially with regards to Mak.

But being a DJ is not just about mixing, but also about the music being played.

But that's the thing, Mak has, and plays an amazing collection of music.

Personally I'd be at Slime every week if it was Mak playing all night! lol.

[Blink]

But that's the thing, Mak has, and plays an amazing collection of music.

Personally I'd be at Slime every week if it was Mak playing all night! lol.

That would depend - sometimes he has real "train-crash" nights when DJ'ing

(Don't worry Mak, I still love you)

[CIW]

But that's the thing, Mak has, and plays an amazing collection of music.

Personally I'd be at Slime every week if it was Mak playing all night! lol.

think I'd then be staying at home every week...

so far slimelight hasn't managed to top Matrix in Bochum (GER) yet, back in the days,
when there was a floor only noise and neofolk all night.

ah, those were the days :|

[Byakhiam]

think I'd then be staying at home every week...

so far slimelight hasn't managed to top Matrix in Bochum (GER) yet, back in the days,
when there was a floor only noise and neofolk all night.

ah, those were the days :|

Germany =/= London

In here, if you'd play neofolk and noise all night, you'd have maybe five people dancing. Which is a bit meh. :p

[Dr_absinthe]

Ok, I have to admit that I'm not too up on Neofolk. Are we talking Death In June, Sol Invictus etc or have I got my wires crossed?

As for a whole night of noise, I did two nights at FOH last year and they weren't as long as Slimes goes on for. There were quite a few different acts but I did find myself getting slightly bored after a while.

Still, there was also some awesome stuff played by acts that I'd never even heard of. I got some fantastic new music from it! Anyway, enough of the random babble.

TL;DR Which bands constitute Neofolk?

[Flux]

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to NOT see Dwellems, Francesca, Untermensch, Uwe & Pete play upstairs...I just meant Mak plays t3h awesome eclectic sets of joy :) All said djs do an awesome job...

And props to the M.I.A posse; Dythlan, Alex, Kelly, and Rex (among others)...they all rocked the Industek floor.

*goes all misty eyed* lol

[untermensch]

And props to the M.I.A posse; Dythlan, Alex, Kelly, and Rex (among others)...they all rocked the Industek floor.

*goes all misty eyed* lol

I'll drink to that! I mean, I was gonna drink anyway but, yeah!

[ineversaidthat]

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't want to NOT see Dwellems, Francesca, Untermensch, Uwe & Pete play upstairs...I just meant Mak plays t3h awesome eclectic sets of joy :) All said djs do an awesome job...

And props to the M.I.A posse; Dythlan, Alex, Kelly, and Rex (among others)...they all rocked the Industek floor.

*goes all misty eyed* lol
amen brother!

+sheds a little tear for the old days+ ;)

[SP]

+ 1 ! .

[ineversaidthat]

the music upstairs last night was the best i can remember it being in a very long time.

mark and dylan conspired to play a truly pounding back to back set, mak, as ever was great and max's second set has to go down in my book as one of the best of the last 5 years. it's just a shame that there weren't more people there to enjoy it... there loss :p

unsurprisingly, the club started filling up with slimelighters who'd been to unholy, not liked it and thought to themselves something along the lines of "hang on, slimes is just up the road: i'd have much more fun there"

i think i probably spent less than an hour away from the dance floor the whole night.


if slimes was like this every week, all would be well with the world, i'm sure ;)

[Dr_absinthe]

the music upstairs last night was the best i can remember it being in a very long time.

mark and dylan conspired to play a truly pounding back to back set, mak, as ever was great and max's second set has to go down in my book as one of the best of the last 5 years. it's just a shame that there weren't more people there to enjoy it... there loss :p

unsurprisingly, the club started filling up with slimelighters who'd been to unholy, not liked it and thought to themselves something along the lines of "hang on, slimes is just up the road: i'd have much more fun there"

i think i probably spent less than an hour away from the dance floor the whole night.


if slimes was like this every week, all would be well with the world, i'm sure ;)

I'm in total agreement with everything you've said. Max's first set was even better than his second imo. Proper grinding noise and a lot of tunes I haven't heard played in Slimes for ages.

I'm hoping that this level of pure awesomeness continues! Great night had by all, looking forward to the next one!

[ineversaidthat]

I'm in total agreement with everything you've said. Max's first set was even better than his second imo. Proper grinding noise and a lot of tunes I haven't heard played in Slimes for ages.
i only caught the end of his first set as i didn't get to the club until 11:40... but the entirety of the upstairs floor was dancing, all 4 of them! so you might well be right. ;)
I'm hoping that this level of pure awesomeness continues! Great night had by all, looking forward to the next one!
me too! if only they weren't so far apart: 13 days is a long time to wait for the next industek fix...

...still, Gravity on Friday should provide a more than ample enough dose of the crunchy tunage for next weekend :D

[Byakhiam]

If there was people enough to keep the top floor busy every week, I'm sure the industek floor would still be each week. But sorta pointless have a whole floor for 20 people.

For myself, I enjoyed a fair bit of the music .. but please never again Siouxsie and the Banshees right after Tactical Sekt's Not Entertained (or a similar track). :p

[ineversaidthat]

For myself, I enjoyed a fair bit of the music .. but please never again Siouxsie and the Banshees right after Tactical Sekt's Not Entertained (or a similar track). :p
ah, the ebm floor: home of musical non sequitur :p

If there was people enough to keep the top floor busy every week, I'm sure the industek floor would still be each week. But sorta pointless have a whole floor for 20 people.
with mak back, i don't envisage that being much of a problem.

[FallenPed]

There was a time when the two words "Noise" and "Slimelight" in the same sentence brought a smile to my face. Then the kids started sending each other Noize greetings cards.

However, last night from 11 til 1 reminded me why I smile at those 2 words. Not danced so much in a two hour stint for a long long time.

As for today, I have spent most of the time trying and failing to move aching muscles, as opposed to 2 weeks ago, when I bounced around the flat listening to Haus Arafna and Tarmvred to remind myself what noise is supposed to be (and it ain't tech).

[Byakhiam]

ah, the ebm floor: home of musical non sequitur :p

There's usually easily identifiable cause for moments like that. Most of the night usually goes fairly smoothly and is good fun.

[CIW]

If there was people enough to keep the top floor busy every week, I'm sure the industek floor would still be each week. But sorta pointless have a whole floor for 20 people.

For myself, I enjoyed a fair bit of the music .. but please never again Siouxsie and the Banshees right after Tactical Sekt's Not Entertained (or a similar track). :p

both floors were quite empty, could run through EBM floor without being squeezed by folks in the way.

reckon was because both reptile and unholy were on last night as well *shrug*

[Byakhiam]

both floors were quite empty, could run through EBM floor without being squeezed by folks in the way.

reckon was because both reptile and unholy were on last night as well *shrug*

Yeah, last Sat was fairly empty on the middle as well. But it was still a lot busier than the top (say ... 50 vs 5 people :p )

And there was a decent amount of people there, considering that Unholy, Reptile and Autonomy were on at the same time. And the previous two weeks (17. and 24.) were both pretty busy. :)

[industrialwarrior]

but please never again Siouxsie and the Banshees right after Tactical Sekt's Not Entertained (or a similar track). :p

You actually quite like that TS tune don't you, Tapani ;)

[Byakhiam]

You actually quite like that TS tune don't you, Tapani ;)

I like a fair bit of Tactical Sekt, I don't know why you think I don't? :D

I like the following tracks:

- Not Entertained (best by a mile)
- Bring Me Violence
- Syncope

And I used to like a fair few more of their tracks .. but as said, they're getting old and I've heard them too many times. Not Entertained is one of those tracks that just doesn't seem to get old though, so I like it. Tell Anthony to make a whole album of awesome tracks like it. :D

[industrialwarrior]

I never said that you didn't like them, it's just that you've mentioned that track a few times on this forum.

Anthony unfortunately is busy with his family. I have asked before about Slimes, he's more or less okay with the idea, but it's up to Marco to get gigs organised. Ant told me he just turns up and performs at the gigs, he has nothing to do with arranging them.

I've been in touch with Marco about it, why don't you contact him as well? Just use the address on the Noitekk page, cos Marco is also the guy who runs that label :)

[CIW]

Yeah, last Sat was fairly empty on the middle as well. But it was still a lot busier than the top (say ... 50 vs 5 people :p )

And there was a decent amount of people there, considering that Unholy, Reptile and Autonomy were on at the same time. And the previous two weeks (17. and 24.) were both pretty busy. :)

so was the top floor last both weekends too ^^

anywho, music was good last weekend :)

[Silversurfer]

Dammit! I missed out again!
And this time it's nothing to do with Vodka!?
I simply fall asleep:(

[dwellems]

Dammit! I missed out again!
And this time it's nothing to do with Vodka!?
I simply fall asleep:(

Yip you so missed out and missed out banging peoples heads together as well! Tat tat tat girl you must be getting old;)

[Fenbane]

I like a fair bit of Tactical Sekt, I don't know why you think I don't? :D

I like the following tracks:

- Not Entertained (best by a mile)

But nothing happens throughout the track! It has a punchy intro and then nothing happens for five minutes. The other two tracks are more interesting. There seems to be a lot of EBM/Aggrotech stuff coming out which lacks any kind of structure and fails to maintain my interest for the duration of the track.

[Byakhiam]

But nothing happens throughout the track! It has a punchy intro and then nothing happens for five minutes. The other two tracks are more interesting. There seems to be a lot of EBM/Aggrotech stuff coming out which lacks any kind of structure and fails to maintain my interest for the duration of the track.

:p

It's got:
A) Great beat -- you'd be surprised how many tracks fail at this .. including most of the rest of TS
B) Understandable enough vocals that you can sing along -- again, lots of harsh EBM fails at this .. or they have something that sounds like Gremlins (see Psyclon Nine on Faith: Disease) and attracts LOLs rather than GRRs xD
C) It's got a second figure coming in half-way through after a quiet bit -- this is very important! tracks that bring in all their boomtang immediately get boring after a while (see Angst by Reaper)
D) It's got samples from the Gladiator ... and shouting "Are you not entertained?!" to the faces of other dancers is fun -- pick your samples well children! lots of crap and/or overused samples out there

Ok, so it's not "OMG, WOW, this is teh original!!" .. but it's fast track that is good fun to dance to. What is exactly what a club track should be about.

PS. This message has been brought to you by caffeine! :D

[Flux]

Rubbish...sounds like I missed a good night there. Here's hoping this is the start of things to come this year...then, ya never know, I might actually start coming out again.


I said might ;)

[Antagonist]

:p

It's got:
A) Great beat -- you'd be surprised how many tracks fail at this .. including most of the rest of TS
B) Understandable enough vocals that you can sing along -- again, lots of harsh EBM fails at this .. or they have something that sounds like Gremlins (see Psyclon Nine on Faith: Disease) and attracts LOLs rather than GRRs xD
C) It's got a second figure coming in half-way through after a quiet bit -- this is very important! tracks that bring in all their boomtang immediately get boring after a while (see Angst by Reaper)
D) It's got samples from the Gladiator ... and shouting "Are you not entertained?!" to the faces of other dancers is fun -- pick your samples well children! lots of crap and/or overused samples out there

Ok, so it's not "OMG, WOW, this is teh original!!" .. but it's fast track that is good fun to dance to. What is exactly what a club track should be about.

PS. This message has been brought to you by caffeine! :D

*yawn*
sorry... did I miss something good??

[Byakhiam]

*yawn*
sorry... did I miss something good??

Yes, you certainly did.

[Silversurfer]

Yes, you certainly did.
Well I certainly didn't miss you

[Byakhiam]

Well I certainly didn't miss you

What a coincidence, I didn't miss you either. In fact, who are you stranger? :p

[industrialwarrior]

It's got:
A) Great beat -- you'd be surprised how many tracks fail at this .. including most of the rest of TS

"including most of the rest of TS"...

Umm, Excuse me?????!!!!!!

[Antagonist]

"including most of the rest of TS"...

Umm, Excuse me?????!!!!!!

OMG. Newsflash!

Moving on!
x

[Byakhiam]

"including most of the rest of TS"...

Umm, Excuse me?????!!!!!!

Most of TS has got a basic "bass - bass+snare - bass - bass+snare" like EBM in general does. But it only has got proper *oomph* on Not Entertained. The sort of *oomph* that you'll feel even on headphones, without being all just drums.

And ever since Reaper came out, this lack of *oomph* feels much more noticeable. Reaper isn't generally stunningly complex sort of music by tune, but Vasi does the *oomph* really well. And EBM bands nowadays need to learn that, if they want to sound good in comparison.

[Dr_absinthe]

I just spent the last ten minutes sculpting a fantastic reply to this thread. Unfortunately the website logged me out and I lost the whole thing.

Anyway... I'm sick of hearing about Taktical fucking Sekt in every thread on the board. Make your own thread about them and sing their praises in there, I don't have time to waste on boring acts. Incidentally, don't reply to this post in this thread, create your own and I may, or may not, choose to respond.

As for the weekend, here is my summary...

*Summary deleted due to drunken antagonism*

[StraightSilver]

Well I must admit that I couldn't honestly tell you whether or not the music was that great this weekend as I was a bit too worse for wear to actually notice....

However I did actually get up and dance for a bit which I haven't done for a while so somebody must have been doing something right! :)

All in all it was a pretty good night, lots of old faces out for Guy's leaving do, but in general I thought the club was a bit empty, there was hardly anyone on the top floor from what I can remember, but then again I can't remember that much!

Apart from my girlfriend being sick in my boots! Yes inside, how the f*$@ she managed that I will never know, as I was wearing them at the time! Nice.....

Still not a bad night though.

[Byakhiam]

Were you at the Big Red pre-Slimes too for the Guy's leaving-do thing?

[StraightSilver]

I was indeed at the Big Red prior to Slimes.

We were even sitting at the same table! :)

I'm Chris, Lauren's boyfriend (my hair's not blond any more so I probably don't look much like my Avatar).

The guy who was covered in purple vomit on the middle floor on Saturday thanks to his lovely girlfriend emptying 5 pints of snakebite and black into his lap!

Bless her! ;)

[Byakhiam]

Ohh of course! The blonde mohawk in the picture is massively misleading. :D

[Silversurfer]

The night was most enjoyable and to top it all off the only one person recognized me was Max! I walked past Byakhiam several times, even smiled at him but typical Byakhiam was to busy talking and not enough dancing..
"Getting old maybe" Strange seeing that his BEST Dj was at his best miss matching beats 2 times on the middle floor and 2 times on the topfloor! (He should stay on the middle floor)
At least Untermentch, Max and Mak made the night and Simon should be shot for miss beat matching though out his sets....
I even danced right in front of Dr_absinthe for about an hour and he didn't even recognized me... sigh! sniff sob sniff..
Thinks maybe I should bang heads together!!!;)

[Byakhiam]

LOL.

I had other things to do than dance last Slimes. :p

[batfink]

At least Untermentch, Max and Mak made the night and Simon should be shot for miss beat matching though out his sets....


Oh that just caused lots of out loud laughing :D

[Byakhiam]

"Getting old maybe" Strange seeing that his BEST Dj was at his best miss matching beats 2 times on the middle floor and 2 times on the topfloor! (He should stay on the middle floor)
At least Untermentch, Max and Mak made the night and Simon should be shot for miss beat matching though out his sets....

Oh yeah ... missing a beatmatch sounds very crap for 20 seconds or so. But if you like the songs, you don't let it get to you too much.

However, even a perfect beatmatch doesn't make two boring songs exciting. :p

[Dr_absinthe]

I even danced right in front of Dr_absinthe for about an hour and he didn't even recognized me... sigh! sniff sob sniff..

My bad, I'm usually in a world of my own when I'm dancing :D

[industrialwarrior]

I wil admit that mis-matched beats are quite annoying as the songs lap over each other with that awful 'clatter', though Simon does play some good tunes sometimes, with or without the initial clatter ;)

[Byakhiam]

I don't like mis-matched beats either .. but I'd take mis-matched beats any time over shit songs. :p

[FallenPed]

I don't like mis-matched beats either .. but I'd take mis-matched beats any time over shit songs. :p

I don't know, I usually use mis-matched beats as a reason to go and dance on the other floor.

[Byakhiam]

I don't know, I usually use mis-matched beats as a reason to go and dance on the other floor.

Then you're feeling like going to the other floor anyway. ;)

[FallenPed]

Then you're feeling like going to the other floor anyway. ;)

touché, variety is everything - unless it causes standstill on stairs with temptation from both rooms.

[Byakhiam]

touché, variety is everything - unless it causes standstill on stairs with temptation from both rooms.

True, true. Personally I use crap and/or overplayed songs as an excuse ... "Oh, is it Ritual Noise? How about checking out the other floor, there's at least five minutes of good time to make a round."

[wasnotgod]

Must say i didn't know any tactical sekt so played some and i must say there PANTS!!!!

[Dr_absinthe]

Must say i didn't know any tactical sekt so played some and i must say there PANTS!!!!

Sometimes I just want to hug you dude ^_^

[wasnotgod]

Aww cheers :) well im out this saturday for a well over due slimes visit and to see some old faces and northbourne :)

[Dr_absinthe]

Aww cheers :) well im out this saturday for a well over due slimes visit and to see some old faces and northbourne :)

Looks like you're getting a big hug out of it too mate. What more do you need from a Saturday night? XD

[untermensch]

Let's get some gay up in this bitch!

[Dr_absinthe]

Let's get some gay up in this bitch!

Don't think you're getting away lightly. I've got some big man love for you too :D

[BeElZeBabe]

O.o



Lol! I'll sell the tickets :D

[Dr_absinthe]

O.o



Lol! I'll sell the tickets :D

As long as we split the profits I'm well in :D

[BeElZeBabe]

lmao nah bitch it's mine all mine i tells ya!!!!


mwahahahahaha...

*cough*

I mean SURE we'll split the profits :D

[snoww_wwhite]

Let's get some gay up in this bitch!

erasure?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/nottingham/content/images/2005/03/18/erasure.39a_338x400.jpg

[BeElZeBabe]

definatley more right said fred.... I'll pay extra if you wear gold pants! lmao


http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u52/lydia_frostycream/RightSaidFred.jpg

[Byakhiam]

I'm hoping to have a good reason to post in this thread tomorrow. :)

[Dr_absinthe]

erasure?


http://www.bbc.co.uk/nottingham/content/images/2005/03/18/erasure.39a_338x400.jpg

Matt C??? Sorry dude, couldn't resist :D

[dwellems]

Last weekend totally kicked ass!!
Our latest DJ to join the Slimelights DJ list is Dr_absinthe and did he play a killer set!!
This Dude has injected some new life upstairs! Which is a win for us all and a wake-up call to myself to play even better to keep you lot dancing..
Well done Doc

[Silversurfer]

I've had good reports about this Herr Dokter at the decks..

[dwellems]

Myself and the Herr Doktor will doing something special for all you!!

[hackedminds]

Music was great last night. Thanks DJs!

[Kristof]

Yes. Great sets last night. Mak's on the top floor and of course Steve's on EBM.
Thanks!

[wasnotgod]

Stayed till 3ish, the first 2hrs on top floor were EPIC, awsome old school wax trax, fucking loved it, then couldn't go for a piss cos the bogs were fucked so went home, sorry dj's not your fault but spoiled the night.

[QMx]

Whooow. Best Slimelight since the Phosgore Gig!

[PsychoKat]

Really enjoyed Mak's Wax Trax DJ set, awesome stuff. Never thought I'd be dancing to Nine Inch Richards' "Closer to Hogs" at Slimelight!

[SP]

... Even I was there for Mak's set ... it was excellent!!

Great night all round! :D

[Antagonist]

Gah! Phooey to the lot of yous! Lay on another Wax Trax set for those of us handicapped by consequence this last weekend.

See you on the 1st August! (hopefully!!!)

[Flux]

I hadn't realised this was the weekend just gone, otherwise I would've been there :( *poot*

How about hitting this shit up again soon Mak? You know it makes sense ;)

[wasnotgod]

It was so goooood to hear Lard and Pailhead!

[Silversurfer]

Why oh why did I stay at home and got drunk with some of my mates..?
When some of my other mates had more fun then me at slimes last Saturday, totally enjoying it on the dance floor from 11pm - 3am!
Well done DJ's, you guys have just made 6 of mates love slimelight!:D

[snailzoo]

It was a while since I'd been to Slimelights but I went this weekend and it was excellent.

The music on the top floor was good, there was a decent number of people there, lots of whom were dancing and everyone was friendly and seemed in a cheery mood.

Well done and thank you all.

[Antagonist]

yeah, they had a few stutters and false starts, but massive big-ups to the noise boys Doc / Dwellems and Emerich (chemical6) for another blinding threesome this morning (!) (of course, Dr_absinthe's lone set was rather pleasing too, but I don't want his ego getting too excited!)

also mahoosive respect to Francesca (her second top-floor set particularly stompy, where does she find this stuff!!!?) and Matt C, whose set was seamlessly danceable as usual, but much darker than I've heard him play for a while, and very enjoyable, even for a cynical cow like me.

I also greatly enjoyed Loki's first hour of EBM classics... even if I was dancing by myself for a while!

But (sorry chaps) the star of the evening was Mak again, definitely back on form with a high-octane closing set.

Why would anyone go anywhere else for their Saturday evening's entertainment?
Fantastic stuff as usual.

[usgreth]

Hmm, talking of Mak's closing set, does anyone with a good memory know what the last song on the top floor was? Heard it quite a few times, but have not encountered it outside of slimelight to track it down..

[dwellems]

Hmm, talking of Mak's closing set, does anyone with a good memory know what the last song on the top floor was? Heard it quite a few times, but have not encountered it outside of slimelight to track it down..
Kate Mosh - Kate Mosh If I'm remembering correctly..

[Dr_absinthe]

Kate Mosh - Kate Mosh If I'm remembering correctly..

You most certainly are Mr. Dwellems. Definitely Kate Mosh!

[usgreth]

Found it on last.fm after your headsup and although not as stompeh as when it is at Slimelight, that surely be the one :D
Fankoo Mr Dwellems! :)

[ineversaidthat]

Kate Mosh - Kate Mosh If I'm remembering correctly..

nope it's kate mosh - dynamo

[dwellems]

nope it's kate mosh - dynamo
Isn't Dynamo the name of the album?

[ineversaidthat]

Isn't Dynamo the name of the album?

yes. but it's the name of the track too

[Dr_absinthe]

yes. but it's the name of the track too

Looks like I've had it wrongly labeled for quite some time then. D'oh!

[usgreth]

according to last.fm the album is dynamo, and it contains both tracks called 'kate mosh' and 'dynamo'. The one I was thinking of and played last on saturday is definately kate mosh (according to them) so I fink dwellems and doc's instincts are probably correct (or all three sources are wrong :D )

[Silversurfer]

nope it's kate mosh - dynamo

according to last.fm the album is dynamo, and it contains both tracks called 'kate mosh' and 'dynamo'. The one I was thinking of and played last on saturday is definately kate mosh (according to them) so I fink dwellems and doc's instincts are probably correct (or all three sources are wrong :D )
Now did he say that:rolleyes:???

[Kristof]

pretty good slime last Sat, full-featured 3 floor, cinema, live show, bbq, four bars (why UPMINSTER? :)) lot of interesting ppl, sexy girls, decent dj sets and lovely staff.. this is what we want to see more often. thx!

[sesanti2]

Four bars??? What did I miss here? We had the two usual ones, plus the one outside the goth floor ... was there a fourth? Where? :confused:

[dwellems]

Four bars??? What did I miss here? We had the two usual ones, plus the one outside the goth floor ... was there a fourth? Where? :confused:

In the court yard.. The UPMINSTER Tube train was the bar:)

[Thorium]

I was wondering about this. I must have been being dumb, but I wasn't aware of a Goth flo:confused:or?? Maybe I was disoriented by the new arrangement but where was it?? What was that tube thing in the courtyard and what does it have to do with upminster? So many questions.

[Grimwall]

Doc's set was excellent, kept me dancing all the way through it!

The live performances were amazing as well. I had watched SAM live before so I knew what to expect and was certainly not disappointed. I was also very amazed by Phosgore who, in my opinion, sounded much better live than studio.

Finally, Cybercide in the pre-show were very good but the sound could have been a lot better. As usual with electronic bands that feature live instruments, the drums and voice were too loud, almost covering the synths. Very energetic though, which is always a huge plus!

Other than that, there was too much hard trance which got a bit boring after a while..

[Fenbane]

I was wondering about this. I must have been being dumb, but I wasn't aware of a Goth flo:confused:or?? Maybe I was disoriented by the new arrangement but where was it?? What was that tube thing in the courtyard and what does it have to do with upminster? So many questions.

It was where it's always been (apart from when it was temporarily shifted upstairs ;)

[SlimJim]

FOUR bars :D

[Flux]

T'was a good night that one...am glad the music isn't quite so noise orientated now, makes a nice change! lol. The new layout is pretty swish, and the club was pretty busy for a 3 floorer...good stuff :)

[Thorium]

I hope there's another one soon so I can get my bearings. Will it just be two floors until further notice?

[SP]

I agree with Flux ... a good variety of choons were played. Most enjoyable!

From what I've heard, I believe that there will be a 3 floor most weekends now.

[Dr_absinthe]

I hope there's another one soon so I can get my bearings. Will it just be two floors until further notice?

Another bar??? Where will they fit it :p

[Thorium]

mwah ha ho ho.

[dwellems]

Another bar??? Where will they fit it :phttp://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w240/dwellems/200908291419.jpg
"Daaars no bar behind thezze doors hic!"

or is it, the magnetic green glowing light is recharging the Doc just before he played his set:D

[Dr_absinthe]

http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w240/dwellems/200908291419.jpg
"Daaars no bar behind thezze doors hic!"

or is it, the magnetic green glowing light is recharging the Doc just before he played his set:D

Yup, specially installed by Mak to keep my energy levels up all night. Now that it's been opened to the public however, who knows what might happen. There will be an abundance of radioactive Doc's running around the place. Remember kids, the recharging station only works with a bottle of Becks which can be conveniently purchased from any of the Slimelight bars ;)

[Silversurfer]

Yup, specially installed by Mak to keep my energy levels up all night. Now that it's been opened to the public however, who knows what might happen. There will be an abundance of radioactive Doc's running around the place. Remember kids, the recharging station only works with a bottle of Becks which can be conveniently purchased from any of the Slimelight bars ;)

It should be a bottle of green absinthe;)

[Grimwall]

It should be a bottle of green absinthe;)
...and absolute chaos ensues...

[dwellems]

Yup, specially installed by Mak to keep my energy levels up all night. Now that it's been opened to the public however, who knows what might happen. There will be an abundance of radioactive Doc's running around the place. Remember kids, the recharging station only works with a bottle of Becks which can be conveniently purchased from any of the Slimelight bars ;)

A look behind the doorshttp://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w240/dwellems/cyber-goth-chick-pipes.jpg:D

[Kristof]

really enjoyed Steve's set last night.
cheeeeers

[ineversaidthat]

whoever it was playing upstairs between 3 & 4 was on fire! a superb set, eclipsed only by the inimitable magic from mak.

just a shame the sound was so bad :(

[Far Beyond Paul]

I wasnt too sure about the music last week. i kept drifting between floors, and not finding anything particularily great...but it did have it's moments. and for those i was thankful :)

[Kristof]

very danceable on EBM fl arround 3am.
and whoever played Silent Hill movie, thank you, thank you thank you

and I'd like Alex back behind the bar pls:)

[Far Beyond Paul]

The music was pretty good yesterday...some nice choices indeed. however - whoever was dj-ing on the EBM floor between about 4-5.30 or so that was some of The worst mixing i have heard in a long time, really ruined the flow between different songs...

[Silversurfer]

I'm posting for behalf of my friends that went to slimes on the weekend..
The New DJ on the Top Floor between 3-4am totally kicked the floor into life as did the other DJ's (Dr_Absinthe & Dwellems)
Who is he and where did he come from? And is he coming back for more?
Love Nat

[chemical6]

Thank you!!!I'm DJ Chemical6 and i'll definatley be back for more!Shouts out to all of YOU psycho's who stomped that floor!Wicked!See you soon!

[dwellems]

Which poster for the Industek Floor do you lovely people out there surfing like the most?
One (http://www.slimelight.net/Sportal/forum/group.php?do=picture&groupid=2&pictureid=79)
Two (http://www.slimelight.net/Sportal/forum/group.php?do=picture&groupid=2&pictureid=80)
Three (http://www.slimelight.net/Sportal/forum/group.php?do=picture&groupid=2&pictureid=81)

You have to be logged in..

[chemical6]

One or two....:)

[Kristof]

Which poster for the Industek Floor do you lovely people out there surfing like the most?


third one..

[Blink]

Which poster for the Industek Floor do you lovely people out there surfing like the most?
One (http://www.slimelight.net/Sportal/forum/group.php?do=picture&groupid=2&pictureid=79)
Two (http://www.slimelight.net/Sportal/forum/group.php?do=picture&groupid=2&pictureid=80)
Three (http://www.slimelight.net/Sportal/forum/group.php?do=picture&groupid=2&pictureid=81)

You have to be logged in..
The Third one, although can you not just have "Mak" without the "DJ Manager"? and he should come first ;)

[toxygenie]

first :rolleyes:

[SlimJim]

Now that I'm a member of the secret industek society, I can see em ;)

Two

[Antagonist]

two. Love the close-up of technology, but still. Mushroom cloud FTW!

[CIW]

2 or 3

and Francesca's sets were great :)

[djingham]

2

Is it elitist to belong to the Industek group. Not sure I want to be elitist - just separate from all the others...

[ineversaidthat]

Which poster for the Industek Floor do you lovely people out there surfing like the most?
One (http://www.slimelight.net/Sportal/forum/group.php?do=picture&groupid=2&pictureid=79)
Two (http://www.slimelight.net/Sportal/forum/group.php?do=picture&groupid=2&pictureid=80)
Three (http://www.slimelight.net/Sportal/forum/group.php?do=picture&groupid=2&pictureid=81)

You have to be logged in..
the first is the best... although, to be honest, i think they're all pretty poor

[ineversaidthat]

really enjoyed the music on saturday... was a shame the club was a bit quiet, both literally & figuratively.

that said, was awesome to hear chemical6 playing some new tracks... any chance of a setlist?

[pseudonym]

I thought it was a bit empty, but the volume was fine. (And generally, slightly too quiet is better than slightly too loud.)

Music on the middle floor was great, but with half my group putting their watches back at 2 I can't remember what time it was.

[ineversaidthat]

slightly too quiet is better than slightly too loud
there's no such thing as too loud when it comes to music

[djingham]

I was there on Saturday to make the most of some quickly altered plans.

Having the extra hour was good. :)

Enjoyed the evening immensely and left as on previous occasions drenched in sweat but very happy.

(Hope said sweat was not a contributing factor to the 'atmospherics' noted in another thread - I had a shower earlier...)

[chemical6]

really enjoyed the music on saturday... was a shame the club was a bit quiet, both literally & figuratively.

that said, was awesome to hear chemical6 playing some new tracks... any chance of a setlist?

Wicked!Here's some of them in no particular order.Ace!

DJ Obfuscator - Anime Soldiers (Unreleased)
Pusher - 12:00am
Waldhaus - Detrimental Delusion
Soman - Power Noise Energy
S.A.M. - World Of Shit (Soman Remix)
Evanti - New Order
Remo Con - G Sigh (ASYS)
Dark By Design - Hate
Marco V - Godd
Punch Inc - Dizzy spell
Antythesys - Pay Off (Unreleased)
SINA - Strong ahead
Manufactura - Forever Darkness
Andreas Kremer - I'm Different
Andromeda 5 - ??? (Unreleased)
Moctan - Hightech
Xotox - Las Mich

[ineversaidthat]

nice one mate... some good tunes in there :)

haven't heard SINA upstairs in quite a while, and the track you played before it was awesome!

[enamic5]

The upstairs 90s set by Mak was brilliant. thank you very much. Made me remember the early days, and the good old days at Electric Ballroom at the same time.
It was a very good night. You should bring back more of that stuff!

[azzbase]

Agreed, Mac was ace First time for me back in Slimes for nearly 3 years.

also having an issue with fining a tune, was played by either Steve or Simon on the EBM floor last night all I can remember of it is (and this may not be correct):

"I Know the Last/Fast?? Ship is coming because i can smell the fuel in the morning......I Know the Last/Fast?? Ship is coming because i can hear the engines trembling/roaring??" - any help would be much appreciated as to who and what the track is..

[DJ DAF]

Bit upset i missed the slimes... Mr Lech & Mr 1664 wouldn't allow it :p

[QMx]

Project Pitchfork / Halloween Slimes was fucking brilliant. Nice decoration, awesome music and Halloween freaks going crazy. Have not expected this at all...

[SP]

Yeah, Mak's old school sets FTW!

[Blink]

Yeah, Mak's old school sets FTW!

Can we have another one next weekend?

And an SP/Flux set too.

PLEASE :D

[Lex]

And an SP/Flux set too.

PLEASE :D

Seconded!

Also, Sy + Doc + Max's set was an EPIC success, I didn't leave the dancefloor once, more of this please!

[Blink]

Seconded!

See - the people want SP & Flux, the people deserve an answer!!

[DJ DAF]

I didn't get to stay for much of Saturday night, but what i did catch was awesome!

Really enjoyed the gig, Combichrist were their usual all conquering selves but for once the comparative minnows lined up to support them weren't totally outclassed on stage. Especially the 1st band: Alterred. It's nice to see an English group actually making the effort and putting on a decent live show for once.

[CIW]

Music upstairs was fun last night. keep it going :)

[ineversaidthat]

seems now that the dance floors have been insulated, the sound's back to being as loud as the slimelight i remember from yesteryear :)
sadly, i didn't get to slimes 'til mak was spinning... still, that alone was worth the entry fee ;)

[Antagonist]

Brilliant, brilliant, brilliant night!!! Mak and Francesca playing some interesting old school stuff (as well as all my usual favourites - Thanks Mak!!) Tyske Ludder were amazing, and the sexiest darn threesome of Doc, Emmerich and Max didn't have a dull moment. I'm gonna ache on Monday, but WOW was it worth it!

[Antagonist]

oh, and a special mention to Doc for mixing in PWEI's Cape Connection so beautifully that it crept up on me. That fantastic moment when a great tune morphs into an amazing tune and you never spotted the join.

[ecclecticbb]

PWEI Cape connection...

A legendary late 90´s Mak´s anthem!

Phoar!!

[Thorium]

Trad floor this weekend?

[Kristof]

was great after 3am every floor

[Fenbane]

Trad floor this weekend?

It's pretty much every week now. Go join the Facebook group for regular updates http://www.facebook.com/reqs.php#/group.php?gid=23119043335&ref=search&sid=694121474.1908874863..1

[unbeliever]

well, it may have been a different layout that that i was used to, but last saturday was really good - hearing "velvet realm" by clockDVA and "asbestos lead asbestos" by world domination enterprises really made me smile - it was a belated new year for me as i was working and missed the actual night being a punter, and it was well worth the journey.

thank you for a wonderful night, see you all again soon

[Antagonist]

OK, it was a really slow start before that top floor finally opened, resulting in a lot of wandering around in the cold looking for somewhere to dance. But along with a good set from Autoclav and Xotox, there was plenty of DJ excitement on the top floor. 1st guy after Xotox (DJ Vertigoneogama?) put in some great tunes, and the Doc / Max / Chemical6 3way was one of their best. Personally, I could have done with some heavier tunes at the end, but on the whole it was a great night.

Oh, and the Karoake downstairs looked like a bunch of fun too!

[Kristof]

got that dj H.E.R.O. Steve, you played last nigh. Absolutely smashing! thanks :)

[toxygenie]

No thanks at all from me for the last two DJ's on the 26th!.... cause the last two sets on the top floor prevented me from going home until the very end due to my other half enjoying them so much! Well done... sorta ;)

[Antagonist]

glad you enjoyed it Toxy, good to see you back!

[dwellems]

No thanks at all from me for the last two DJ's on the 26th!.... cause the last two sets on the top floor prevented me from going home until the very end due to my other half enjoying them so much! Well done... sorta ;)
Cheers Dude:D Do come back soon

[Kristof]

These laser lights by the tube area are amazing.. oh, and by the way Fran's and Steve's (and one song from Loki downstairs) sets saved my night :)

[Fenbane]

I would like to thank Loki for playing Marylin, My Bitterness by The Cruxshadows exactly when I needed it. Enjoyed shouting those lyrics out across the goth floor ;)

Music really does cure all!!

[Dr_absinthe]

Wasn't at Slimes this weekend to say for definite, but I'm sure the music was as awesome as always!

Got fed up of seeing the other music thread every time I log in ^_^

[djingham]

Am going to be attending this weekend - so I expect awesomeness in abundance.

This is not a request.

:)

[djingham]

I was not disappointed :)

[QMx]

..because Phosgore was great!

[domdavis]

So the music ranged from really quite good to not my bag on the middle floor until about 6:30 when exactly the right tunes were played at exactly the right time to unleash all kinds of awesome. It's sets like that that have me doing the 7 hour round trip and forgoing a nights sleep. Just wish I could come more often :)

[Antagonist]

Another fantastic night on the top-floor. Too many great tunes to mention, wicked live band, Halloween merriment and an extra hour t'boot. Huge love and respect to the best place to be on a Sunday morning. ;-)

[QMx]

Halloween once again proved to be a great night at the Slimes. Loved it right to the end incl. the extra hour.

[snailzoo]

thanks for a very enjoyable Halloween weekend, there were some excellent tunes played on the top floor and with the extra hour you really were spoiling us

[Antagonist]

after way too many fantastic live acts, the DJs put in another great one on that top floor. I was very amused to see some glowy raverboys throwing some shapes, and to watch them scuttle away several times during Mak's metal-flavour set. Was that an intentional bit of mischief? Nice bit of Ministry was a treat though.

[domdavis]

Another good night. Walked in to a blinding track which I promptly missed because I had to shed my arctic gear at the cloakroom. Unfortunately I was feeling rough all night or I'd have been on the dancefloor much more than I was. Shame it ended early.

[djingham]

Yes, excellent night and SAM were pretty good too.

Danced me little legs orf...

[sesanti2]

I agree. If you keep it like this, you are gonna get me dancing again one of these days ... :p

Edit: Btw, to avoid any confusion, that was *not* a criticism on the music up to these last slimes - i have just realized it could quite easily be interpreted as sarcasm. No hidden meanings, okie? I meant what I said, and nothing else. Ciao!

[djingham]

Another good weekend. I was particularly happy to hear the remix of FLA's Beneath the Rubble on the middle floor. More of this please!

[Kristof]

another fcuking great set Mr Weeksy! :) Especially the one from 2-4 last night and the one from the week before 0-2 (on the "1floor slimes"). Would you be so kind and publish a track list please? Even if I know most of the tracks, some are still mystery to me..

[djingham]

Agreed - the middle floor was top (eh!?!) this weekend. Despite considerable fatigue I lasted until seven when the call of the pillow proved too much...

[Antagonist]

As much as I hate to geek over one little tune I have to have a big shout out to Emmerick and Mak for both playing one of my all-time favourites, Cubanate's Lord of the Flies.

Twice in one night? That's more than some girls get in a lifetime! ;-)

Actually it was a brilliant night all round with some old tunes bashed out by Emmerick and Uwe early on, and then plenty of noisy classics by Doc and Max later. And lots of Cubanate and some Ministry too....

There was actually so much great stuff going on that I felt a bit spoilt for choice and MISSED Fran's set and hardly had a chance to check out the guest DJs on the top floor.

Nice to see the place properly busy too. Wicked fun guys, can't wait to go back next week!

[thorn]

i really loved the music mix on all three floors last weekend. thanks to all the DJs who kept me dancing till early in the morning! i could not come to slimelight for quite a while but -- like always in the past -- it was a very positive experience :-) definitely have to repeat that visit soon!

nevertheless, i was quite surprised about the low number of guests even during what were "peak hours" in the past. was there some other event the same night or is it usually not so crowded anymore? (even though i am happy to have some space around me when dancing, i can see the importance of enough guests supporting slimelight...)

just wondering...

[pseudonym]

There was Resistanz, a weekend music festival in Sheffield. A fair few Slimelight regulars were there.

[snailzoo]

The music was good this weekend too but it was still a bit quiet at times. I hope everyone will be about this Saturday, what better way to celebrate Easter...

[Kristof]

just wanted to point out that miss Fran has done a good job last night playing mixture of both (and both my fav), the oldest Hocico in the world "Forgotten Tears" and quite fresh Covenant "Lightbringer"..
..oh, and also top floor around hmm... 3am was more than jumpy.
well done djs!

[gattonero]

missed last saturday due to, uhm...., over-dozing after the Operatino Garden Blast (ah, bank holiday's days off with good weather!), damn!
Guess was a good night due to extra-recovery time +payday (pretty much) everybody had??
:\

Anyway, think I'll storm in this saturday if I'm not too late from work!

[FallenPed]

I thoroughly enjoyed myself on Saturday - especially the old classic New Model Army.

Only real downer, was my distinct lack of fitness.