Define "chav"/"tryhard"

[ebonyeyes]

From reading and posing on this forum it seems that you all have slightly different definition of a chav. Some of you refer to people I would call tryhards as chavs. I would discribe a tryhard as - some one who dresses funky casual, the blokes wear trendy, often worn/slightly torn blue jeans, normally with a short sleaves t-shirt over a long sleved t-shirt. The girls tend to wear dirty look denim skirts or hot pants with a slightly baggy funky top. Their cloths maybe designer, but are not overtly so. There is a tendency for both to have irregular spicky hair cuts, or girls with long hair will have it in a ponytail with a kind of bump at the front. They wear toned down skater accessories, like chains and cuffs. There wear dark trainers or boxing boots. They ofter consider them self the eliet of the hard dance community and are infact often ex-cybers.

Have any of you encountered this sub-culture? Do you find my description accurate?

[Blink]

That would be my definition of a tryhard.

I think that tryhard is very much a "dance" sub-genre though, it isn't really a phrase you see much used by the "goth" crowd. I only ever know it be used when I am out a Hard House clubs.

Chav is definitely more about burberry and bling.

And townie, to me, is just your typical young lad/ladette.

[snoww_wwhite]

That would be my definition of a tryhard.

I think that tryhard is very much a "dance" sub-genre though, it isn't really a phrase you see much used by the "goth" crowd. I only ever know it be used when I am out a Hard House clubs.

Chav is definitely more about burberry and bling.

And townie, to me, is just your typical young lad/ladette.

as long as they do not interfere with my dancing and enjoyment of noise or even demand their music being played at slimelight then i have not got any problem with them being about, no matter what they like to call themself. i mean after all i do not hit them in the face (or elsewhere) for calling me a goth, even though we all know that i am not a goth in the slightestest and that iam so industrial, i have not got a mother i got an incubation unit ;)

the trouble starts when whatever they think they are dance into everyone, whihc seems to be what they like to do, get annoyed if i growl at them for it and or try to get my attention cos they think they are cute ...

.. by attention i mean trying to chat me up or soemthing equally unwelcome.

its weird how the obvious outsiders like that always seems to create the most trouble in clubs, we have got that shite also in the brighton clubs :(

i am sick of it! don't let them in unless they they make at least an effort to dress up like a goth! havign said that, dressed up townies still look like townies to me, oddly enough ;)

[Blink]

as long as they do not interfere with my dancing and enjoyment of noise or even demand their music being played at slimelight then i have not got any problem with them being about,

i am sick of it! don't let them in unless they they make at least an effort to dress up like a goth! havign said that, dressed up townies still look like townies to me, oddly enough ;)

Erm, wasn't this a thread about definition, nothing to do with whether they should or should not be in Slimelight

:roll:

[snoww_wwhite]

as long as they do not interfere with my dancing and enjoyment of noise or even demand their music being played at slimelight then i have not got any problem with them being about,

i am sick of it! don't let them in unless they they make at least an effort to dress up like a goth! havign said that, dressed up townies still look like townies to me, oddly enough ;)

Erm, wasn't this a thread about definition, nothing to do with whether they should or should not be in Slimelight

:roll:

so i hijacked it for yet another rant? and?

hehe :P

[Guy13]

as long as they do not interfere with my dancing and enjoyment of noise or even demand their music being played at slimelight then i have not got any problem with them being about,

i am sick of it! don't let them in unless they they make at least an effort to dress up like a goth! havign said that, dressed up townies still look like townies to me, oddly enough ;)

Erm, wasn't this a thread about definition, nothing to do with whether they should or should not be in Slimelight

:roll:

Ah, catching up with the lack of recent pedantics from your corner? :wink: :twisted:

[Blink]

Ah, catching up with the lack of recent pedantics from your corner? :wink: :twisted:

I am trying to cut down on my pedantics, they are bad for you. But that was just blatant hi-jacking

[ebonyeyes]

The reason I posed this, was some one mentioned getting trouble from chavs at an event where it was unlikely there would of been many of them, but I was sure there would be plent of tryhards. So I wondered if people see them as two differant groups, as I do.

[Flapjack501]

Hmm,

I classify chavs as any group causing trouble. It's a nice degratory word in my eyes, better than "trouble" or whatever... Thing is though, it's been long associated that all chavs wear sports wear and all that bling bling rubbish...always trying to be fashionable, following trends and so on, so maybe "trendy" is a more fitting word.

To me though...chavs can be packs of any race (or mixed race gangs perhaps) wearing absolutely anything out to cause trouble on the poor sucker who hasn't started any trouble.

I've had my fair share of trouble with gangs down in this craphole...most of the time it's never gone very far and thankfully too. Though not because of the way I dress...maybe it's the way I walk, or the way I look in general? Who knows.

Thing is, it's all fair a pack of them going after the one or two people, because the moment you lay a finger on any they get together because they're all absolute wussies all alone, not that that's happened to me...not yet.

Had enough of bullying in school...still some people I'd like to smash in...and will do, in time...or maybe they'll end up in jail because they're layabouts who never got very far. Then I'll be laughing. Got a lot of other people back though. I'd like to compare "chavs" or gangs of trouble with bullies...because that's what they are. F****** sissies.

Still, I'm not the type to start fights...If theres a fight, and my life is endangered, I'll fight, but not anything else. Even if someone throws a punch, I always block punches. If I seem like I'm getting a bit angry..I am, I absolutely hate bullying people...just because they think they can get away with it and so on and they normally do. If I seem like a sissy, maybe I am aswell, but I'm just doing the smart thing. Of course, I'll always intervene if a friend of mine starts getting trouble.

Sometimes I hate humanity...but that's just the way things are. At least there are some shreds of decency about.

[Blink]

The reason I posed this, was some one mentioned getting trouble from chavs at an event where it was unlikely there would of been many of them, but I was sure there would be plent of tryhards. So I wondered if people see them as two differant groups, as I do.

I think Chavs and Tryhards are very different and separate

Tryhards go with cyberkids in hard dance events, and your description was spot on.

Chavs are just chavs.

And I think that some of the people on this site, (who themselves probably hate people calling them goths or metallers or whatever and get pissed off that people just dont' understand "their" scene), just don't understand the scene that the words come from. [I know some people on here are really into their hard dance, and probably do know the scene]

*Blink - hates being called a goth, definitely isn't a try hard, has more leanings towards cyber (without the industrial circuitry, or the kiddie dummies), and has a bottle marked H2SO4 for anyone who calls him a chav!

[Flux]

I'm being a man of few words here, but looky here for a handy guide as to "what is a chav"

(Plus the site's hilarious for anyone who hasn't seen it...check the gallery section ;))

www.chavscum.co.uk (http://www.chavscum.co.uk/)

[snoww_wwhite]

The reason I posed this, was some one mentioned getting trouble from chavs at an event where it was unlikely there would of been many of them, but I was sure there would be plent of tryhards. So I wondered if people see them as two differant groups, as I do.

no they all go under then name of chav/townie to me, they all look the same to me anyway :P

[Blink]

no they all go under then name of chav/townie to me, they all look the same to me anyway :P

As spoken by a true GOTH :wink:

[snoww_wwhite]

no they all go under then name of chav/townie to me, they all look the same to me anyway :P

As spoken by a true GOTH :wink:

oh woe is me, i must remember to sharpen my razor blades, must commit ritual suicide to the sweet sound of sisters of mercy.

i leave you with a home made poems my friends, who nearly never cared about me once or twice:

http://www.geocities.com/shadowvale20/sunrise.jpg
morning glory fulfils my heart with sorrow,
wind touches my fear,
for today i live but i will die tomorrow,
never gone, still here.

overcome with angst yet?

okay, lets put it that way, iam so industrial i need a can opener to get into bed.

industrial well, something like a goth with the rivehead addon kit

http://www.sykospark.net/rivethead/
we do not do angst, we do anger and no poem comes form our high tech laptops but something much more errr industrial ;) , so here goes:

dawn, furnace sky, no emotion, just work.
air kurrents - hatret.
strength, machine, future, powerkut.
forever industry.


http://www.sudaniharare.org.zw/images/industrial.jpg
:P

[Blink]

oh woe is me, i must remember to sharpen my razor blades, must commit ritual suicide to the sweet sound of sisters of mercy.


Please, don't forget your frilly fencing shirt, and I assume you have some vampYre fangs too (probably of the professionally made varity)

:twisted:




:wink:

[ebonyeyes]

Some interesting points.

Flapjack sorry to hear you have had so much shit from people, but I dare say there are arseholes in any scene. The chavs just seem 2 have the monopoaly.

Blink made a good point about what others call us. I don't care if I'm called a goth though slightly inaccurate many of my cloths are at least black :? . cybergoth sometimes :) , vamp well lots of corsets and fitted items so I suppose 8) , cyber well I have been know wear fluffies :oops: . Try hard yes once :roll: . but never ever chav :x .

[star-gazer]

oh woe is me, i must remember to sharpen my razor blades, must commit ritual suicide to the sweet sound of sisters of mercy.


Please, don't forget your frilly fencing shirt, and I assume you have some vampYre fangs too (probably of the professionally made varity)

:twisted:




:wink:

:oops: i have some caps-havent worn them in ages,sounds like an excuse to find them to me! hehe!

[Rivetmike]

i have some caps-havent worn them in ages,sounds like an excuse to find them to me! hehe!
http://www.ny911.com/caps/deacapl.jpg

[Flux]

:lol:

http://www.the-pink.com/mart/upload/burberry%20cap001s.jpg


;)