Fashion Fascists

[Blink]

Don't let the Fashion fascists rule, everyone should be given the opportunity to prove that they don't belong, and the get barred. If someone wants to turn up in jeans, as long as they don't annoy anyone, and are into the scene, let them.

*Proud defender of denim*

[Lustmord666]

I don't wear jeans anyway. But as long as people behave I don't care. I don't have to wear jeans.

Yours I don't care :roll: :) :roll:

[RingWurm]

People should be given the chance to prove themselves, but it's easier just to keep people out than have people making trouble week after week.

[faticeira]

Had another 'mundane' cause some trouble last Saturday :/ Pulling my hair and dancing wildly around...his mundane friends were 'kinda' looking after him. I was nice as I didn't report him to the bouncer.

And Blink, I am not saying its the denim that made him do it ;p Rather he didn't belong there, and annoyed people, and definately, I am sure, did not know the music.

[ignis]

my boyfriend will beat up all casuals...he is veeeeeery dangerous! 8)

[lonewolf]

Surely everyone has to admit that the atmosphere of the place is partly dependant on the clothes people wear.

As for jeans... I have worn jeans to slimelight although I have only black ones so they didn't look out of place.

What is the definition of into the "scene" ? I do not keep up with a lot of the music nowadays, does this make me a "mundane"? I still enjoy going to slimelight and dancing if the tune suits my tastes and I think I can. NOTE: think I can and to be able to are two different things but I dont care.

I go to slimelight because of the relaxed atmosphere. When I go out I want to relax, feel safe and not be bothered by people trying to impress others.

Lonewolf

[Membaris]

I think that only people who dress goth should go to Slimes, due to the fact that the gothic scene is made for gothic people and not necessarily for casuals?

I was in Slimes and I was wondering that casuals were let in, because they were entirely drunk and bugging my friend and me. I had to tell them to back off from us. I think as well that most of the gothic people are far more respectful than casuals.

Alright some may think now that I show no respect for casuals, but I simply think they don't belong to goth clubs in which we want to have fun and have a good time, in case they bug us.

Membi :o)

*I always stick up for my opinion* !

[faticeira]

I think that only people who dress goth should go to Slimes, due to the fact that the gothic scene is made for gothic people and not necessarily for casuals?

I was in Slimes and I was wondering that casuals were let in, because they were entirely drunk and bugging my friend and me. I had to tell them to back off from us. I think as well that most of the gothic people are far more respectful than casuals.

Alright some may think now that I show no respect for casuals, but I simply think they don't belong to goth clubs in which we want to have fun and have a good time, in case they bug us.

Membi :o)

*I always stick up for my opinion* !

Exactly!!!! Just like we would not belong or be let in to a casual place with a dress code. They do not want us in their clubs...

[Blink]

I think that only people who dress goth should go to Slimes, due to the fact that the gothic scene is made for gothic people and not necessarily for casuals?

The Slimelight is London's longest running alternative club dealing in industrial, power-noise, cyber-synth, ebm, cyber-goth, darkwave, trad + modern goth, plus crossover and related alternative sounds.

Erm, surely how Slimelight definrs itself is conclusive proof that it is not a "gothic" club. If it was, I sure as feck wouldn't be going there, as I am very definitely not a goth.

And if anyone wants to beat meet up for being a "casual" (who posted that their boyfriend beats up casuals?) That makes you just as bad as the "casuals" who beat up goths.

[faticeira]

If its not a gothic club ( i ise that term in ebm and industrial as well bc it is all linked) then what is it???????????????????????????
Doh!!!
I like you Blink.....but its the same argument over and over >:p

[redSpikes]

no one should be excluded from anywhere on grounds of what they look like, but what they wear is a different issue entirely.

if you turn up in white trainers and an addidas top, then clearly you shouldn't be let in. At the same time, however, if someones wearing jeans and a dark T-shirt, and so not 'dressed up' then they should be. You don't have to be part of 'The Scene' or be there to pose to be someone that makes Slime the (great?) place it is.

Slime isn't just there for the posers amongst us: its there for us all.

[lonewolf]

Does slimelight advertise any "dress code" in their promotional material or this Website ? If not and I cannot remember seeing anything, then there should be no dresscode.

BUT

Slimelight's reputation has been built mainly on word of mouth with some exceptions (I found it on the web 4 years ago whilst looking for a "goth club" which did not close at 3-4 in the morning so I could travel home afterwards on public transport to outsode London).

Slimelight has always had a membership policy. To become a member you need to get two current members signatures. How many people just sign the forms if people ask without knowing anything about the person ? How many people sign anybody in without even asking names. I know people do not like to appear as though they are being mean but the membership policy is there for a reason.


Dress code not withstanding it is up to us, the membership to define who gets in or not.

Lonewolf

[Lustmord666]

*gg* well I don't know if the people that signed me in in 1994 are still in in the slimelight.
But anyway, there were always some casuals running around, but no one cared about it.
There are some idiots that dress gothic and there are some idiots that dress casual. If there's a problem the bouncers will handle it.

[cokephreak]

There seems to be a lot of people who have quite strong negative opinions about what people wear. I hear this kind of thing a reasonalbe amount, on here and hearing people bitch about others in the club....

Theres nothing wrong with this, but it would be nice to hear some people occasionaly say some nice things about what other people are wearing. About people that aren't dancing around an elevated pole, anyway.

Now, having said that i'm going to start working out what i'm wearing on saturday....

And you'd better all say something nice about it :evil: [/quote]

[redSpikes]

fair point, but would Slime be Slime without the bitching, backstabbing and general character assasination?

i think not.

but i'll be sure to say something nice about your outfit on Saturday, cokephreak.

[Membaris]

If I would not be gothic but would like to go out in goth clubs then I would at least try to adept to the clothes of that scene into whose clubs I would go. I personally think that it is somehow a provocation of going there dressed as a casual. And nowadays people love it to provocate!

[Blink]

If its not a gothic club ( i ise that term in ebm and industrial as well bc it is all linked) then what is it???????????????????????????
Doh!!!
I like you Blink.....but its the same argument over and over >:p

Personally, I do not see ebm and industrial as linked to goth, but that is because I got into it from a metal and dance background, I have never been into goth, and in no-way do I see ebm or industrial as being derivatives from goth, I see it more as coming from New Romantic (I include all the early synthwave such as Numan, VJapan, Ultravox et al), and metal. I find goth completely alien to what I listen to, other than when I describe what I like (I describe it as Trance written by miserable goths).


As for it being the same arguement, what else would the Dress Code forum be for?

heh heh heh heh heh heh

[redSpikes]

if i remember rightly, then the guidlines for entry are that you either have to be signed in by a member, be a member, or look the part.

So, people that can be vouched for can look casual, but those who are an unknown quantity need to make some sort of effort. This seems to be slightly fairer than a blanket membership system, as it makes the crowd slightly more dynamic and should keep out 'troublemaking casuals'.

would people rather have a strictly enforced dresscode for all (a la TG), return to the proper membership system or just leave things the way they are?

[evilbitch]

i do agree that being an individual is about personal expression and you should wear what makes you comfortable but why do people who blatently do not like the music bother to turn up??? i just see it for them as being pointless....sure if they actually wanted to find out about the scene they should at least try to make an effort to be nice and try to dress up to the slight dress code...is it so much hassel for them to put on some black clothes (btw im not a goth but it would be easier them trying to find black clothes than cyber...) i do not understand the minority (for that is what they are) coming and trying to take the piss out of the majority...
but i do agree that people should wear what they feel comfortable in so how to distinguish
maybe a slight dress code would be the right idea???
:twisted:
anyway is anyone planning on wearing anything special for new year...looking forward to wearing a special new outfit

[Cyber_noise]

I think if your into cyber/industrial.goth/darkwave the main genres of music then you should obviously be allowed in, providning you are dressed appropiately! I havent been there but intend to go very soon!!! I detest casuals as they think they are above you and can do what they like. The whole point is to enjoy yourself and meet like minded people me myself being into cyber/EBM and industrial mainly, loves clubs like these as you can relax and have a good time. Without being hassled from annoying casuals.

[ElvisHitler]

By the sheer volume and controversy regarding this subject, it's clear that Slimelight will always appeal to a wide variety of individuals. It's that same individuality that attracts a lot of negative influences. I don't agree with the idea of discriminating against people simply on the basis of appearance (why descend to that level??) but considering the actions of the majority of these "townies" (?), it's the lesser of two evils.

The majority of us deal with common rudeness (Oi!! Marilyn Manson, innit!?!) on a daily basis, and you don't expect the same behaviour in your own back yard.

So, most people with goth/cyber interest would like to express themselves freely when going out, and if that means eradicating discriminatory behaviour through dress-code, so be it.

Anyone got a better idea? :)

[coldcell23]

the whole dress code thing is a little laughable. there have been nights when i have had crap from so called goths, for being gay....laughable as they were wearing make up. it was a so called 'mundane'...although i find that term a little snotty, who actually came and helped - the goths certainly didn't, they wereprobably too concerned with their makeup.

Surely behaviour is what is important here, not how people dress. As for 'dress code' for people who are industrially inclined, well, if you look at the originators of industrial, ie Throbbing Gristle, they deliberately looked 'normal', so to fuck with peoples expectations. Some of the people with the bizzarest interests/musical tastes ( and I mean that in a positive way) I have ever met have dressed seemingly 'normal'. Surely, if you are sincerely into the music and want to have a good time with others who share your affinity, then who is to say they cant get in.

The most attitude (negative) i have ever seen flying round slimes has come from so-called 'alternative' people. Wearing blocky platform heels, having loads of plaits in your hair, wearing a rubber skirt and flinging yourself round the dancefloor to VNV Nation, does not really mean you are 'alternative'....just part of the crowd really. As i said before, behaviour should be a qualification of whether you are a) allowed in or b) allowed to stay. And as someone else pointed out, let the bouncers do their job.

[ElgynsToy]

I really hate that so many assumptions are made based on a person's outfit :evil:

There are some nights (and I'm sure I speak for others here) that I just can't be bothered to tart myself up in which instances jeans & trainers are the most comfortable option. I am NOT a casual/townie/whatever and because I'm wearing jeans it doesn't mean I'm going to get lairy on beer and p*ss people off! Each to their own really and judge a person for their actions, not their dress!

[Membaris]

but why not dressing as goth if going out in a goth club???? I really dont see where the problem lays!?

[ElgynsToy]

I guess my point is that I'm there for the music. If people want to pull faces at me for not being the epitome of cutting edge cyber the that's essentially their problem. I wear whatever clothes I feel in the mood for which is, as far as I understand, a basic right! Certain clothes do not necessarily denote a certain mentality and in themselves, pose no threat to anyone![/i]

[coldcell23]

but why not dressing as goth if going out in a goth club???? I really dont see where the problem lays!?

i'm not a goth:)

I really do think, as posted earlier, that it is behaviour that matters here. I can't really see the slimes becoming overrun with 'trendies'....and they probably feel more threatened in there than any goths do who might get looked at the wrong way.

they are probably jealous that they don't have the guts to go out all dressed up:)

[Blink]

Bizarrely enough, I arrived on Saturday night, suitably cybergothed up, tight black top, black trousers with silver dangly bits, silver and UV nail varnish, and I got stopped at the door, and asked to show my membership, whereas I saw plenty of "casuals" in there later on. Go figure!!

[redSpikes]

go figure indeed.

but consistency never has been one of the strengths of electowerkz' security. :wink:

[karl_in_neon]

Slimelight plays goth-oriented music. If you let people in street dress in then the nature of the club will change and it will become the same as any other club in the UK.
People in street dress generally gawp and molest goths/cybers/weirdos, both inside and outside the club. The attraction of slimelight, and the reason the club has so many regular and fanatical customers, is that it encourages alternative dress, lifestyle and music.

I love going to slimelight. I don't feel everyone has to dress up, but due to the nature of the clientele, the music played and the history of the club, a minimum dress code should be enforced.


KiN

[sabrina]

If its not a gothic club ( i ise that term in ebm and industrial as well bc it is all linked) then what is it???????????????????????????
Doh!!!
I like you Blink.....but its the same argument over and over >:p :lol: wot the hell is going on here?
to be gohtic? IS it only a way to dress? yeah owright!! let me laugh!! i think its more a state of mind than a way of dressing!! so the "casual guy" (who might look for some trouble) just has to go to camdem town, and ask for the goth costume, and its gonna be allright : welcome to the club!! many people who are not goth just go and buy a bondage shirt, and a pvc trousers wich cost 50 quid , are then allowed in the club. are u gonnna tell the difference between a real goth and a fake one?
are all ur friends only goth? do u make a selection? if one of ur friend just like the goth music, but dont dress like this, isnt it not enough to come in the club and enjoy himself? pfff..
maybe i didnt understand wot ur saying but there s bad and good people whatever the kind of music they listen to or whatever the way they dress... THAT S IT

[faticeira]

If its not a gothic club ( i ise that term in ebm and industrial as well bc it is all linked) then what is it???????????????????????????
Doh!!!
I like you Blink.....but its the same argument over and over >:p :lol: wot the hell is going on here?
to be gohtic? IS it only a way to dress? yeah owright!! let me laugh!! i think its more a state of mind than a way of dressing!! so the "casual guy" (who might look for some trouble) just has to go to camdem town, and ask for the goth costume, and its gonna be allright : welcome to the club!! many people who are not goth just go and buy a bondage shirt, and a pvc trousers wich cost 50 quid , are then allowed in the club. are u gonnna tell the difference between a real goth and a fake one?
are all ur friends only goth? do u make a selection? if one of ur friend just like the goth music, but dont dress like this, isnt it not enough to come in the club and enjoy himself? pfff..
maybe i didnt understand wot ur saying but there s bad and good people whatever the kind of music they listen to or whatever the way they dress... THAT S IT

Just said what type of club it is, nothing about the people or dress in what you quoted from me :> So where is the problem? And if you notice, I am friends with Blink....and we take the piss. Nothing more nothing less.

[Blink]

Just said what type of club it is, nothing about the people or dress in what you quoted from me :> So where is the problem? And if you notice, I am friends with Blink....and we take the piss. Nothing more nothing less.

Shit, and I thought this was a serious debate :roll:

Actually, I am quite suprised by the number of people who have voted for "fahion fascist". I guess/hope that is more to do with getting hassle off mundanes, but then again, I am suprised that people say that what people wear is part of what makes the club. You know basically what I am going to say, but I would have thought what other people were wearing was only a very small part of clubbing, it is great to see what interesting outfits people wear at any type of club, and I just don't think people should be forced to wear what other people think are interesting outfits.

[faticeira]

Just said what type of club it is, nothing about the people or dress in what you quoted from me :> So where is the problem? And if you notice, I am friends with Blink....and we take the piss. Nothing more nothing less.

Shit, and I thought this was a serious debate :roll:

Actually, I am quite suprised by the number of people who have voted for "fahion fascist". I guess/hope that is more to do with getting hassle off mundanes, but then again, I am suprised that people say that what people wear is part of what makes the club. You know basically what I am going to say, but I would have thought what other people were wearing was only a very small part of clubbing, it is great to see what interesting outfits people wear at any type of club, and I just don't think people should be forced to wear what other people think are interesting outfits.

Are you taking the piss again my dressed up friend :D
Nice to see you...come back soon :)

[Cyberkitten]

Have you ever gone to a "mundane/normal" club and been turned away because of how you dress?

Have you ever been given a bit of a hard time in the street because you're a little more spiky or a bit more shiny?

I know I have. I think that everyone deserves a chance to see what 'SLIMELIGHT' is about regardless of how they look at first glance. OK so there ain't much sense letting in hordes of people who OBVIOUSLY are just there to cause trouble. But doesn't everyone deserve a chance to taste the "goth scene" you never know... they might like it... change their looks and musical tastes- or not. I still think they need a chance. Ultimately "mundanely" dressed people won't feel comfortable in an environment where there are few blue jeans and t-shirts and they'll want to change, or they'll just go home and never return. What d'ya think?

[UN4g1v3N]

This goes out to all the first posts that I've read in this topic...

It is not how we dress that exposes what is inside of us. Those who dress as casuals could very much have an inside that is twice as goth as you may think. Appearance is one thing, but what is on the inside is completely an other.

Note that all those who go to slimelight have a particular relaxed and original attitude. And had those people who normally dress as goths dressed as casuals for once, it would have made no difference whatsoever in the way they act. That is the beauty of the place..

If it were all just appearance, then we would be nothing but supperficial rats.. :)

Thats my 2 cents for this topic..

[ElvisHitler]

I'm sure we all pride ourselves on being open minded, not judging by appearance, being all holier-than-thow etc...

I like slimes for one reason only: shared interests. I love the people that frequent the club, I like the music (downstairs :lol: ) and I admire the mutual respect. Not everyone does, however.

I've had beer thrown on me, townies laughing and staring at me (AND trying to...um..."get it on" 8O ). The one consistency in these individuals causing this trouble is, sadly, their dress code.

Yes, we're all peace-loving open-minded people, but when it comes to our environment (i.e. slimes), we're bound to come around to the merits of compromise. It's not nice or popular or fair, but there you go.

Moderate dress-code is essential, if Slimelight wants to maintain its reputation and regular clients.

E.H.

[Blink]

and I admire the mutual respect.


I must say, that there have been times when I have gone dressed more casual than others, and I have felt that people were looking down there nose at me.I like to think that most regulars to Slimes would recognise me, so I can only assume it was due to the way I was dressed. I like the concept of mutual respect, by slimelight has just as many arseholes as the rest of the world (No offence to anyone here). You get just as much arrogance, cynicism and small-mindedness at slimes as anywhere else (and no, I am not ruling myself out of any of the above categories)

[redSpikes]

just as many arseholes? probably more, but they're stuck so far up themselves that they don't cause you any real hassle.

that said, there are also loads of people that i really get on with, and i feel more comfortable in Slimes than i do almost anywhere else. I think some restriction of admission is neccessary to keep the atmosphere, but this should only be a slight dresscode or a return to the 'proper' membership system.

one last thing... how do you define goth 'on the inside'? AS far as admission goes, I think that if someone has made the effort to dress goth, then they are unlikely to cause trouble, whether they're a 'fake goth' or a real one.

[Carpathianmysteries]

So if i turned up in camo. combat trousers, para boots, and some kind of band top etc. Aka 'Rivethead' style, is that acceptable, or am i likely to get hassle from the 'more goffik than thou' committee? 8O

[Lustmord666]

If I remember correctly, there were always some people with uniforms and camo running around...

[Carpathianmysteries]

Ah, thats always a good thing. Also, are there comfy sofas around? I'm more a listening not dancing person.

[ElvisHitler]

You won't get hassled. That's the point of having a dress-code: keep the hasslers out. Strange as it may seem, there's quite a variety of subcultures to be found at slimes.
Man, this string is ooold...

L666: Do you actually go to slimes?

E.H.
:twisted:

[Lustmord666]

Currently I live in Germany. So I can't go regulary.
Last time I was at the Slime was New Years Eve 2001/2002.

But I'll try to come over in 2003. That's what I planned. Hopefully the next time I'm there some more people I know are there... I think I should organise something and import some crazies from Germany :roll: :D :roll:

[ElvisHitler]

Definitely. The crazier the better.

Carpy: There are a relatively limited supply of sofas i.e. when you find a space, plant yourself and grow roots. BTW cool site.

Back to the topic...I think most people are clear on the subject. If not, I pity your soul. Anything else to chat about???
:?: :?:

E.H.

[redSpikes]

plenty else to chat about...

but this is the dresscode forum, after all. :P

[ElvisHitler]

oooooooooooohhhhhhhhh! :roll:

Fair enough, anything else to add about dress-code?
:twisted:

E.H.

[Rivetmike]

So if i turned up in camo. combat trousers, para boots, and some kind of band top etc. Aka 'Rivethead' style, is that acceptable, or am i likely to get hassle from the 'more goffik than thou' committee? 8O

"The more goffik than thou" committee will undoubtably look down their collective nose at you (but I'm sure they do it to each other too! :lol: ).But who cares all the other rivetheads will love you (and there are always plenty there).

Oh and if you manage to get a sofa,I echo previous advice and say stay put.

Rivetmike

[Sodom_und_Gomorra]

Slimes should stick to a strict dress code and anyone not fitting the criteria should'nt be allowed in, casuals normally end up in that shithole ie the Ballroom.

Love is on the way.....[/url]

[saiira]

I enjoyed Slimelight so much more when people actually made an effort with their appearance.... I remember when we used to spend our entire saturday getting ready and then used to sneak off at 3am to pop home to redo our makeup!

I do find the atmosphere is diluted by the quantity of people who either a) don't look the part b) aren't the part or c) haven't made an effort.

[bakularia]

I agree with the above two posts.

[faticeira]

I enjoyed Slimelight so much more when people actually made an effort with their appearance.... I remember when we used to spend our entire saturday getting ready and then used to sneak off at 3am to pop home to redo our makeup!

I do find the atmosphere is diluted by the quantity of people who either a) don't look the part b) aren't the part or c) haven't made an effort.

YES. And you feel you need to be more aware now of people spiking your drinks and men trying it on..I feel like Im in a fishbowl sometimes. Used to be more of a relaxed atmosphere instead of the aggression now.
Also, the dancefloors are packed everyweek, we don't need more people coming in and taking over the floor that don't even know or care for the music. Happens constantly now. Especially when they just stand on the dancefloor and take up space because they haven't a clue what is being played. Or just sway slightly like they are dancing but not. When this happens during Hocico, ARGH!

[frontline52000]

This'll make ya laugh and to me, says it all. I was in Slime the night before Black Celebration with Apop. The band were dressed casually and, I kid you not, saw them get some dodgy looks and scowls from people who were busy dancing to their tune!!

[Blink]

That sounds about right, far too judgemental, yet they complain about "mundanes" judging them!!!

[redSpikes]

I don't think the issues with 'mundanes' or 'casuals' in slime has much to do with being judged (for the more goffic than thou comittee anyway), but about hassle, atmosphere etc...

The Apop example is a good one of the flaws of the Dresscode. Surely letting people wear what they want, but restricting entry by making sure people can be vouched for by members is the best way of making sure that everyone's comfortable?

[fad]

I think I'm qualified to comment as officially I've been the one decidng who gets in for the majority of the last few months....and if not me you can get this from the 'Welcome' person, (who'll be the non-bouncer on the door in the early part (pre-2.00am)).
If you're dressed in any of innumerable 'alternative' out-fits we'll let you in regardless of what particular styles you're wearing, (I personally like to see that people have made a bit of an effort, but all black and a 'sister's' T-shirt will get you past me).
On occasion a regular, or appropriately dressed person, will turn up with an 'outsider' friend in tow, frequently a foreign visitor, who is not as suitably attired. In this instance I'm not about to ruin someone's night by refusing their guest entry and will generally allow them in with a promise of good behaviour. The same is not true for groups of lads (or girls) with a token 'Goth', but someone in a couple, of which one is inapprpriate will, again, have no problems.
Some of those accused of being 'Casuals' (as I still call them) will be working for the club in cleaning or light/sound capacity and it is not up to us, largely, how they choose to dress. Other's are regulars who, due to circumstances, drop in while not dressed up, and we let those in too without argument.
As to the Security being inconsistent, I'm afraid that's because we get what ever the security companies we use send us, with a few exceptions. The regular faces should give a fairly united view though (and if not, complain at the office and we'll have them tortured for you).
Fad

[Blink]

They love us so much that they will even torture the staff for our entertainment :D

[Lustmord666]

It's funny.
I think I know a lot of the bouncers from 1994. *gg* Can't be the worst job standing there at the slime :D :wink: :D

[scary_mother_mary]

people can dress just like they want as long as I get along with them and
they're cool I have no problem with that!
there are goths that suck and there are casuals that suck, too, so there is not a big difference in the end.
on the other hand I have to say that in some situations dresscode is needed,cause nobody really wants to stand beneath a jeans dressed person when you're on a fetish party or something like that!
I think it depends on the situation!
take care SMM :wink:

[celestial_maiden]

I am new to this forum and I would like to start by drtopping my 2 cents here.Generally I don't care what people wear , everybody has their one taste.But when I go to a GOTH club I would prefer to see people dressed in a certain way.It makes it more fun.

[Blink]

Fair point, but what about when you go to a cyber-industrial club like Slimelight?

:wink:

[celestial_maiden]

LOL I would expect people dressed that way as well.It's good to fit in with the environment don't you think? :)

[Blink]

I think it is more important to be true to yourself. Afterall, how many people at Slimes fit in outside? So why must you make an effort to fit in at slimes if you don't the rest of the time?

[celestial_maiden]

Hmmm that takes a lot of discussion.Speaking for myself I am the same all the time.I don't like pretending or whatever.That's what I would like to see from people around me as well.

[celestial_maiden]

And to continue it doesnt have to do with the clothing.I see people in Slimes who don't fit in even if they are dressed up.But for my aesthetic if you want I would love to see people dressed a certain way when I go out.

[Blink]

Speaking for myself I am the same all the time.I don't like pretending or whatever.

I agree totally, but in the real world I am happy in Jeans and T-shirt, but alas people would like me not to wear that at slimelight. (Most of the time I am cybered up, and I do enjoy it, but on the days I can't be arsed, and want to go in my casual clothes, I can't, in case I don't get in)

[xxxmelhar]

Im sure I saw two of the guys from hocico at the slime before they were on stage wearing blue jeans [they got changed though]and someone told me a guy from cenobita was wearing blue baggy hip hop jeans onstage.a friend told me they saw daniel mayer from haujobb not being let in by security on sat he was wearing a beige shellsuit more auf viedersen pet than machinfest methinks

[Blink]

I remember seeing Mesh at The Garage, and when they came on stage, I thought "No fucking way!" they looked like total townies!!

[ladymacbeth]

i met a denim clad gigolo in slimelights, who despite his appearance had a keen fetish for latex

lady M :twisted:

[Null_White]

I always thought some of the "mundanes" were let in to amuse everyone else. (like letting a christian into the lions den etc etc)

[bellehard]

I totally respect everyone's opinion here but I have to say I find it amazing how BLACK AND WHITE things seem to be. THERE IS NOT ONE TRUTH you know!

I mean, I come from different backgrounds muscially. I create my own style - I don't try to belong to a certain group and I still think I have the right to enjoy the best of ALL worlds. It makes me very happy. :)

I think people who don't stick to all conventional rules might add some SPICE to the situation. As for "casuals" - yep, some people might look boring but please forgive them - maybe they just want to have a good time or try something new. As for bad behaviour - comon, drunk people are the same really... a drunk "casual" is no different from a drunk goth.

Also, don't forget how NEW TRENDS are born. Definitely through the interference of DIFFERENT STYLES. Change is a very natural thing. Even goth trends should change over time, shouldn't they?

I just think the whole world would be boring if you would actually judge people from what they wear. And if things would be predictable.

I don't think you have to worry about "casuals" at Slime. As you pointed out it is truly a goth place and most non-goths would probably not feel comfortable going there. After all, most people seem to belong to one group from society, more or less anyway.

My favourite band, Placebo, is a very good example of the fact that you can achieve somthing good (brilliant) if you combine things from different worlds. :) Having said that, I consider Placebo an alternative band influenced by various music styles, such as rock and goth. So. Where should all Placebo fans hang out then, since we are neither true rock fans nor goths? And we don't really look like people from any of those groups.

Just a general question to all goths out there - are clothes more important than music?

[Blink]

It always amazes me how much goth comes up in conversations about slimes. I do not consider myself in any way shape or form a goth, I do wear a lot of black, but that is because I am not comfortable wearing other colours, except white, which I wear a lot of. I mainly listen to EBM, Hard Trance and Hard House, although EBM/Industrial are my favourite choice of music. Musically, goth is half of one floor (or all of one floor when we get the 3 floor specials).
It irritates me that goth comes up so much, as it makes me feel fundamentally excluded and "outside", just because I am not a goth. (altho I use goth to dscribe the sort of music I am into when out with my HH friends, I say "Trance written by miserable goths")


(Before I get flamed loads, I do not have a problem with goths (other than all the usual stuff about crosses and vampires and stuff))

[faticeira]

It always amazes me how much goth comes up in conversations about slimes. I do not consider myself in any way shape or form a goth, I do wear a lot of black, but that is because I am not comfortable wearing other colours, except white, which I wear a lot of. I mainly listen to EBM, Hard Trance and Hard House, although EBM/Industrial are my favourite choice of music. Musically, goth is half of one floor (or all of one floor when we get the 3 floor specials).
It irritates me that goth comes up so much, as it makes me feel fundamentally excluded and "outside", just because I am not a goth. (altho I use goth to dscribe the sort of music I am into when out with my HH friends, I say "Trance written by miserable goths")


(Before I get flamed loads, I do not have a problem with goths (other than all the usual stuff about crosses and vampires and stuff))

Blink, if I had a pound everytime you said you aren't a goth and blablabla, I may be rich by now! Can you please tell us one more time?? ;p;p;p;p;p;p;p;p

[Rivetmike]

I think the main reason that the word Goth comes up so much is because all of Slimelights histiry is steeped in Gothness,you are right the playlists may not be that Goth anymore,but to stop associating Goth with Slimelight would be like stopping associating Japan with sushi.

Rivetmike (btw I'm not a goth either :D )

[faticeira]

I think the main reason that the word Goth comes up so much is because all of Slimelights histiry is steeped in Gothness,you are right the playlists may not be that Goth anymore,but to stop associating Goth with Slimelight would be like stopping associating Japan with sushi.

Rivetmike (btw I'm not a goth either :D )

Hahaha, I like that one!

[Blink]

Faticeira - I will be saying I am not goth until I die.

Rivetmike - I agree about not taking the goth out of slime, it is more an observation that you don't seem to get people who aren't goth saying stuff. I figure I can't be the only person who goes to slime who doesn't consider himself goth. There are far more hardcore people who hang out in the top room all the time, and I wouldn't have said they were goth.

[fad]

'Goth' is just a generic term for non-goths to describe a style of dress/music; a pigeon hole. It's something people choose to describe you as, not a sect from which you can choose to be excluded by bleating on about not being one. I see someone dressed all in black, leather, military, plastic, whatever and choose to call it a Goth; it's a fucking Goth.....they don't have to like Sisters or Bauhaus.
If you go to the Slimelight and wear black...you're a goddam Goth and shut up denying it.
Sorry if that sounded angry but there are better things in life to worry over than what umbrella term you're trying to slip out from under....especially when you have no control over it anyway.

[Blink]

If you go to the Slimelight and wear black...you're a goddam Goth and shut up denying it.
Sorry if that sounded angry but there are better things in life to worry over .

The first bit of that is the biggest bit of bullshit I have ever heard in my life. I challenge you to find one person who calls themselves a goth to say I am a goth.
the second bit is very true, I am very aware that there are far more important things in life to worry about, which is why it doesn't bother me when "non-slimes" people call me a goth.

All I was doing was pointing out that there are people who go to slimelight who would not consider themselves in any way gothic. (As far as I am aware, the definition of gothic IS not "wears black and goes to slimelight")

Labels are for those without imagination

[fad]

The first bit of that is the biggest bit of bullshit I have ever heard in my life
Then you really should do more listening....or you've led a real short/sheltered life
the definition of gothic IS not "wears black and goes to slimelight
The definition of Goth is, as I was trying to explain, whatever someone else chooses it to be. It's not your choice. If someone else calls you ,say,a twat, there's no point arguing that you're not, they're going to believe what they choose to believe .....there isn't a set list of attributes that can be quantified...same with Goth.
In the early Eighties the press invented a general term to describe those of us who wore all black, eye make-up, spiked and coloured our hair and listened to certain bands. Some of us considered ourselves Futurists, others New Romantics, others Punks, some Rockers....it doesn't matter, we were 'Goths' whether we liked it or not because the term was invented to describe US.
Siouxie denied being one, Robert Smith denied being one....doesn't make 'em right.
Now, you want not to be called a Goth ? Easy. Stop going to Goth clubs, cut your hair, don't wear black or alternative clothing, ditch the jewellery, wear blue jeans and a T-shirt and buy yourself some Westlife albums....bingo ! No more problem.....you don't want to be lumped in with a group, stop looking like them and going where they go!
PS>
You probably qualify as a Goth just for looking at this web-site.

PPS This isn't aimed at you Blink, I've seen your picture and you're not a Goth, I can testify to that....but if you're not a Muslim and you go to Iran, it doesn't stop it from being a Muslim country.....!

[Sinister]

My god fad...you are amusing!I love your post.And every word true.
I love gothic music, at least what i think is gothic music, Bauhaus, Swans,Death In June etc. maybe the clothes and make up give it away as well, but fuck it,I accept that and really would not want to be called anything else, it fits just too well! Maybe other people rather describe me as a wanker or god only knows what, but their opinion at the end of the day really only matters as much as a death in another country of someone I dont know.

[Sinister]

My god fad...you are amusing!I love your post.And every word true.
I love gothic music, at least what i think is gothic music, Bauhaus, Swans,Death In June etc. maybe the clothes and make up give it away as well, but fuck it,I accept that and really would not want to be called anything else, it fits just too well! Maybe other people rather describe me as a wanker or god only knows what, but their opinion at the end of the day really only matters as much as a death in another country of someone I dont know.

[Blink]

Now, you want not to be called a Goth ? Easy. Stop going to Goth clubs, cut your hair, don't wear black or alternative clothing, ditch the jewellery, wear blue jeans and a T-shirt PPS This isn't aimed at you Blink, I've seen your picture and you're not a Goth, I can testify to that....but if you're not a Muslim and you go to Iran, it doesn't stop it from being a Muslim country.....!

Fad, I think in many ways we agree. I don't go to goth clubs (I go to slimes for the EBM and Hard Dance), I don't wear alternative clothing, (I wear similar stuff to people who do to Sundissential, I just like to think I wear it a different way to them), I don't wear jewellery (my entire collection consists of a watch and a ring), and I do wear a t-shirt and blue jeans!!
I agree about the muslim country thing. My comment was merely pointing out that if you go to slimelight, I don't consider it a goth club, yes it has its goth element, but I don't think you can define it as a goth club (it is a club which plays goth instead, as well as EBM, Incdustrial, Noise, electroclash (i confess to not having a clue what that is), and hard dance)

I think that this whole discussion is based on what people define as "goth", and I base my definition on what other people at slimes would think, as they are my "peers"

[iank]

:D i just wanna say that this has been a hell of a decent read!! very cool yet long winded thread!

ian.

p.S:....nah dont worry, i'll let the thread run its course!

[Haujobb0r]

I have been following this convoluted roller-coaster of a discussion and have seen many points that I don't agree with and others that are really on my level.

Ok time to stir up the hornets nest!
Fads comment:

" :evil: see someone dressed all in black, leather, military, plastic, whatever and choose to call it a Goth; it's a fucking Goth.....they don't have to like Sisters or Bauhaus"
:twisted:

Its kindof a weird concept of what I am imagine Goth to be, I certainly would not put it in such a broad umbrella as that. I think Goths are pretty distinct when it comes to visuals. And I dont think that wearing all black is suffice to qualify as a full time Goth for example, I mean Joe Brand wears black to look slimmer, would you see her shuffling to Bauhaus? lol

Still, it's your vision and there must be some reasoning behind it, as judging from your pic and your tone you look to me as a goth and hence probably better qualified to pick one out?

Blink, I think you and I would agree that Slimelight is not a goth only club because if it were, i certainly wouldn’t belong there and from the sounds of it nor would you. I think it’s simply a sort of superclub for alternative music, from EBM through Punk to Gothic.
I am a proper electronic musik freak and so long as it has a darker edge to it I will dance. Hence the reason why my main love is EBM, Industrial but my tastes do span to Prog Trance and Hard House. I reckon my tastes are pretty similar to yours James and likely we would go to Slimelight for the same reasons.

Either way, the one obvious thing we all have in common is that we have a proper passion for the music we are into; otherwise we wouldn’t be wasting our time writing to complete strangers! :)

[Blink]

Either way, the one obvious thing we all have in common is that we have a proper passion for the music we are into; otherwise we wouldn’t be wasting our time writing to complete strangers! :)

That is one spot on comment, in the end, we all go to the same club, and are all sad enough to post on a website :wink: we must be similar in some ways, or at least less different to each other than we are to most of the rest of the world.

[panic]

all this is very interesting, but i cannot help but notice that some of you are very bothered when you are called 'goths' by some 'normals'. why? do you really care what other people think? if you do, you should change your image. be sure that people would always react to someone who's made an effort, be it a black mascara and black clothes or short-skirt-fat-tart-from-the-north. at least there is the slimelight, so all of us can be there without the 'fear' of being looked at. i work with 'normal' people every day, i hear comments every day (and i look pretty 'normal'). i mostly do not react, just sometimes tell them how awful they look, or remind them that life is short, but i could make it even shorter for them. it's actually the attitude that would get you into more trouble than the looks.

www.bizarrelove.co.uk

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[lilblu]

Does all this really matter, you can go on discussing whether Slime's is a goth club or not. The simple fact is that when the club first started in the early '80's it WAS a Punk/Gothic club, even the name is Goth taking the piss out of the Limelight which (if my memory serves me) was a new romantic club when it started. I deviate, the point I'm trying to make is that it was a club for goths/punks run by goths/punks where the like minded could meet up once a week and chat about whatever. The only difference is that the music has evolved and there are now more variety. Back to the Dress code, it's enforced because we had complaints from members and well,.. it is a members club, however you don't have to wear black, just make an effort and look vagely alternative. as I believe its an alternative club not street/casual etc... :D

[Blink]

Maybe I am just a trying to wind people up?

Lol, the whole goth thing bugs me, cos I would rather be called a trendy than a goth!! And when people refer to slimes as a goth club, it makes me feel as if I don't fit in there!! :cry:

[Matrixia]

Somebody said something about bullets, well we've had more than enough bombs for one Millenium, so unless they're rubber bullets I don't want to know. Would it be fascistic to say this about the last forum - "Shut-the-Fascists-Up!", if so then I'm sorry do what you want and observe the consequences, that's usually alright isn't it. Guinea Pig Ghosts are stalking you...and don't mentionthe Monkees

[Matrixia]

Bye the way, I'm laying my colours on the line right now, I 8 blu yucks, I'm with the Staff in my opions and if you're a trendy then sod off right now or I'll get the eyeshadow out and convert your sexuality aka Boy George, and if you don't know what that means then ha ha to you. You've made me right grumpy and it's still 6 days to go before i can fit in again

[Peachykeen]

Being goth to me is a bit like being gay or straight. No one's 100% either, really. Some straight men find Thai pretty-boys attractive (until they realise they're actually men); some people wear black and dance to Sisters, while swearing vigorously that "they're not Goths". You know what they say. If you deny it, you're probably in denial.

Me, I wear corsets and mesh to take out the garbage. I've also been known to sling on a top and combats to go to Slimes. So perhaps I'm not a goth; I just write very bad poetry.

[Xethana]

Wow what a long discussion.
and still i like to add a short comment:
although i can't go to slime regularly in the moment I like to say:
you are VERY VERY LUCKY with the Slimelight dress code
comparing to one of my local gothclubs it's absolutely not strict at all, really...
Once my friend was wearing an anthracite coloured trousers and the doorman didn't want to let him in cause it's not black 8O can you believe it!? As if anyone could tell inside the club...
Honestly I can't believe that things like this would ever happen in slime...

[Vampira666]

I call myself a goth all of the time. 'Normal' people are going to call me a goth in order to belittle me.....but it doesn't really matter. Who are they to me? Nothing... I remember a time when being called a goth was a good thing. Now it seems like that everybody wants to distance themselves from the term.I think it is the height of pretentiousness to deny being goth when you dress like one, go to the goth clubs,listen to the music, and are interested in dark subjects. If it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck..guess what....it's a duck.

[faticeira]

I call myself a goth all of the time. 'Normal' people are going to call me a goth in order to belittle me.....but it doesn't really matter. Who are they to me? Nothing... I remember a time when being called a goth was a good thing. Now it seems like that everybody wants to distance themselves from the term.I think it is the height of pretentiousness to deny being goth when you dress like one, go to the goth clubs,listen to the music, and are interested in dark subjects. If it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck..guess what....it's a duck.
I agree. I do get annoyed with so many terms...I tend to use goth to cover the whole scene and slimes. Though now it makes more people happy to be called cybergoth ;p Probably to show they progressed from 'trad' goth. I don't mind either way.

[Vampira666]

I call myself a goth all of the time. 'Normal' people are going to call me a goth in order to belittle me.....but it doesn't really matter. Who are they to me? Nothing... I remember a time when being called a goth was a good thing. Now it seems like that everybody wants to distance themselves from the term.I think it is the height of pretentiousness to deny being goth when you dress like one, go to the goth clubs,listen to the music, and are interested in dark subjects. If it walks like a duck and it talks like a duck..guess what....it's a duck.
I agree. I do get annoyed with so many terms...I tend to use goth to cover the whole scene and slimes. Though now it makes more people happy to be called cybergoth ;p Probably to show they progressed from 'trad' goth. I don't mind either way.
I have people coming up to me at the club that I go to saying that it's cool that I look so deathrock/old school. I am the only person there that looks the way that I do so I have my own little niche going on.LOL!!

[crunt]

the whole dress code thing is a little laughable. there have been nights when i have had crap from so called goths, for being gay....laughable as they were wearing make up. it was a so called 'mundane'...although i find that term a little snotty, who actually came and helped - the goths certainly didn't, they wereprobably too concerned with their makeup.

Surely behaviour is what is important here, not how people dress. As for 'dress code' for people who are industrially inclined, well, if you look at the originators of industrial, ie Throbbing Gristle, they deliberately looked 'normal', so to fuck with peoples expectations. Some of the people with the bizzarest interests/musical tastes ( and I mean that in a positive way) I have ever met have dressed seemingly 'normal'. Surely, if you are sincerely into the music and want to have a good time with others who share your affinity, then who is to say they cant get in.

The most attitude (negative) i have ever seen flying round slimes has come from so-called 'alternative' people. Wearing blocky platform heels, having loads of plaits in your hair, wearing a rubber skirt and flinging yourself round the dancefloor to VNV Nation, does not really mean you are 'alternative'....just part of the crowd really. As i said before, behaviour should be a qualification of whether you are a) allowed in or b) allowed to stay. And as someone else pointed out, let the bouncers do their job.

well said
it seems to me that too much emphasis is being put on clothing. but then i do seem to be spending too much time in the dress code forum so that may have summat to do with it.
to stick my opinion in again...
by discriminating against all so called mundanes are you not stooping to their level?
using myself as an example- i'm not a thug. i don't dress like a townie at all (not that i think all townies are thugs). i suffer just as much grief from them as you all do so it seems a bit rich that i'm not welcome in an 'alternative' atmosphere either. i don't care what you wear clubbing and i'm not going to hassle you about it. i'm still evidentaly not good enough for your club though as my clothes don't fit in with your fashions. this seems a little unfair.

[ZRNA]

What i can't get is people so desperatly wanting to wear blue jeans and casual wear.
I come from a place where people in alternative scenes would love to dress up and look more extreme, but can't due to the society intolerance and lack of clubs. You should be happy that there are so many amazingly looking people in Slimelight, instead of trying to dismiss them.
And these people who try to prove that goth fashion is totally non-original...well, at least it's more original than wearing blue jeans or trainers like some truck driver from a smalltown pub.
And to those who say "we like the music, but don't like to dress-up" - you can listen to music at home, go to gigs or festivals. Clubs are not only about the music, they are mainly about the atmosphere , and dressed-up people are essential part of it.
Music and fashion are of equal importance, and Slimelight is the club for goth (or whatever) looking people who like goth music. What's wrong in that?
Again... if you don't have the guts to do something creative to yourself, just admit it.

[faticeira]

What i can't get is people so desperatly wanting to wear blue jeans and casual wear.
I come from a place where people in alternative scenes would love to dress up and look more extreme, but can't due to the society intolerance and lack of clubs. You should be happy that there are so many amazingly looking people in Slimelight, instead of trying to dismiss them.
And these people who try to prove that goth fashion is totally non-original...well, at least it's more original than wearing blue jeans or trainers like some truck driver from a smalltown pub.
And to those who say "we like the music, but don't like to dress-up" - you can listen to music at home, go to gigs or festivals. Clubs are not only about the music, they are mainly about the atmosphere , and dressed-up people are essential part of it.
Music and fashion are of equal importance, and Slimelight is the club for goth (or whatever) looking people who like goth music. What's wrong in that?
Again... if you don't have the guts to do something creative to yourself, just admit it.
That was perfectly stated! Unfortunately, the same old same old will be said on here. One big BLAH.

[Blink]

Faticeira..what has happened to you? Have you lost your fight? 8O :roll:


And just out of interest...maybe some of us don't want to look like every other clone at slimes, blue jeans is different, as far as slimes is concerned, so :P

[faticeira]

Faticeira..what has happened to you? Have you lost your fight? 8O :roll:


And just out of interest...maybe some of us don't want to look like every other clone at slimes, blue jeans is different, as far as slimes is concerned, so :P
My point proven ;p

[Blink]

You should be happy that there are so many amazingly
Music and fashion are of equal importance, and Slimelight is the club for goth (or whatever) looking people who like goth music. What's wrong in that?
Again... if you don't have the guts to do something creative to yourself, just admit it.

Never said there was anything wrong with people wanting to dress up for Slimes, it is cool that people do dress up, freedom of expression and alll that stuff.

And as for "not having the guts" to do something creative to yourself, some people just aren't wired that way, I have never had the urge to get any piercings or tattoos, and if you gave me Ł1000 I would spend it on equipment to express myself musically as opposed to on some clothes. It has nothing to do with guts, and everything to do with taste. My taste, with the exception of music, tends to be very conventional, but hey, we all have our faults, right?

[Blink]

My point proven ;p

It's sunday lunchtime, and I am bored, and I have had a long week, so :p

[crunt]

why does everyone assume that anyone not fully gothed up is clad head to toe in denim. most of us 'non-conformist goths' (with the exception of blink) don't own a single pair of blue jeans. just because i don't dress goth it doesn't mean i dress mainstream.

"Again... if you don't have the guts to do something creative to yourself, just admit it."- zrna
i personally don't consider most of the goths i see as the tiniest bit creative with their image. it's not like it takes much artistic flair to buy everything on the mannequin in cyberdog/darkside.

[Ivanov]

i like cookies

[panic]

come from a place where people in alternative scenes would love to dress up and look more extreme, but can't due to the society intolerance and lack of clubs.

So, Zrna, where do you come from? Sounds like a police state. California?

'FUCK ME AND MARRY ME YOUNG' Andrew, SOM (http://www.bizarrelove.co.uk)

[Grucilla_Gruesome]

Intolerance, it's everywhere that’s why you smile nicely and rip the fingers........

Zrna, "artworks in progress" make this world a much more glittery and interesting place to be in......:)

[Blink]

One man's art is another man's pickled shark

[mum]

"One man's fish is another man's poisson"

[7thStranger]

"He who has poisson.. will surely have had his chips"

:wink:

[MotherBrain]

well it took about an hour to get through that lot, thanks for the read, all highly entertaining :P

[MotherBrain]

oh yeah forget, now it's MY turn to post:

well these days I am more cyber/goth, I love cyberwear and i love EMB/SYTH/INDUSTRIAL ...whatever, anything electro i love... I just to be gothic, or rather sorta gothic, cos i never ever put makeup on or wear any of that stupid looking cheezy jewlery, however I am gothic minded, cos I am a photographer, I always do gothic imagery, cos I find that's the best for pictures and stuff :P and i like gothic people. (gothic to me, is about being creative, i've never met a goth who has never been creative, with something, wheather its music/clothing/hair/looks, art.. whatever


but as far as i go, I'll stick to dressing cyber. However in liverpool, NONE dresses up, and they only club we have is the krazyhouse and that only plays nu-metal/rock/ other shit so no one makes any effort and even if anyone did, the scallies (townies) will just kill you on the nightbus home... I enjoy reading all your posts, and hopefully one day I'll go to slimelight and dress up for the night... but until I can get to london i'll be here to read your bitching posts :P

[Wight]

I’ve only been down the once but I was wearing jeans and was let in, not blue denim jeans or anything silly, but jeans never-the-less. They were black with buckled up the side so I don’t think I stood out that far really. :)

I can see the usefulness of a dress code however, but more to keep people with no genuine interest in the scene (word used in widest sense) out rather than to impose aesthetic opinions on one another. :)

I live to far from Slimelight to go regularly, though I do intend to go more, so I put up with the local clubs more often. I live in Southampton and the local club doesn’t have a dress code and you can get a lot of ‘casuals’ in, and its easy enough to predict when trouble’s going to happen. It’s a nice enough place with very little trouble, compared to other clubs for the mainstream which always seem to have police outside, but occasionally there’s trouble and, more ofthen than not, it’s someone outside the scene.

That’s not to say that people outside the scene are all tossers, it’s just that when a person turns up to a club where he or she doesn’t like the music, doesn’t know anyone and has no interest in the scene then they’re often there just to have a ‘laugh’ and make trouble. *shrugs*

Local club had to have cameras put up all over the place since one of us got seriously hospitalised through one such incident, so you won’t hear me complaining about dress codes (well, unless they get strict enough to not let me in :D)

It’s nice to see so many interesting people are Slimes, but I’m not going to cry to see a few people in black jeans and T-shirts. I travel from Southampton so I’m expecting something a little more than my local where we can slouch around and not make an effort, but I suppose if you live near and you’re regular then it would be different. :)

I’ve worn blue jeans before, done so plenty of times, never to a club however… *shrugs* Blue jeans can look nice, but they do seem very casual to me, -very- casual. Now, you might not want to make such an effort going into Slimes, but changing to a pair of black jeans and some sort of dark T-shirt seems somewhat more appropriate perhaps? Not going to kill you…

As to the ‘Goth or not’ business, I can barely be bothered to comment. I don’t identify as Goth, but then, whilst I like music and fashion, I’m not sure they’re great ways to label yourself anyway. However, other people can label me how they like, I’m quite happy for them to place me under whatever box they want in order to neaten their world view if that’s what they want to do.

Doesn’t exactly hurt me does it? It’s a word, ultimately that in itself tells you it’s going to have different meanings depending on whose saying it.

Wight

[snoww_wwhite]

i like people in gear that suits them and what suits people more than lovely militaria clothing?

its gotto be black usually but some look stunning in all sorts.. so go on and impress me ;)

after all, i take my time over getting dressed up nicely and nice makeup, which i totally mess up in hours and hours of dancing but, at least i normally look presentable at the beginning of the evening... so why are there people who dont just look bad, they also smell terrible?

ewwwww

[Guy13]

i like people in gear that suits them and what suits people more than lovely militaria clothing

Snowwy, as Daffy Duck would say, "you're incorrigible"

:roll: :roll: :roll: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :wink:

[bertrand]

I will try to give my opinion about this (important, to my mind...) problem :
Of course it's not especially disturbing me to see one or two people wearing casual things (and anyway I'm wearing it the whole week) but I think that it can be, in a way, dangerous :
I mean that, one day, we will come to the Slime to see all people in casual clothes (like on actual hardcore fridays, but for this kind of... culture ?, this is not a problem...) ; And I think that the general behavior and the way the people look in the culb is also a good reason to come to the slime. I mean, we (at least me) dont come just for the music :
There is clearly a kind of ambiant in this club because of the (non)decorum, the music, and to my mind, the dress code.
So if I'm not against the idea of letting some people going inside in casual clothes (like me the first time I came : i was poor, lost and french lol) I think that there must be a kind of quota, you know. No more than "ten casual guys tonight"...
About the problem that some alternativ girls can ge with nonalternativ guys, i dont think it come form the way they are dressed. We just have to be vigilant and dont fear to go for security .

[SheIsMySin]

well im adding my two cents worth now...

when i go out, sometimes i really can't be arsed if i know i'm going to be dancing a lot... i.e. i know my face is gonna heat up and be bright red for the whole night so i'll just put some eyeliner on, wear a comfy top and my leather jeans...

on the other hand, if i'm feeling a little lethargic or nonchalant, i will go the whole hog with corsetry, lavish makeup, high heels and flowing skirts etc... this is mainly when i know i'm going to be sat down talking to people and generally enjoying the atmosphere than feeling the need to dance...

i don't care what other people wear, and if you see me staring at you, it's probably because i'm admiring your ability to look effortlessly amazing, not because i think you look like a freak (not that that's a bad thing ;) ) so if you see a crazy looking person sat on the stairs staring blankly/ lustfully/ admiringly, that would be me...

[snoww_wwhite]

i usually get my normal getup on, which is normally uniformy style and in the winter with corset too.

i ahve been putting trad goth stuff on but i usually wear that a a favour to a special person and i hardly feel like this is me in it.

i dont care if the makeup runs while iam dancing like a mental patient, i dont care if i look a mess at the end of the night, as long as i feel good about my looks at the begining.

i cannot understand how people can feel good about themself if they turn up in scruffy clothing and especially those who smell like they have been successfully avoiding the shower for the last fortnight.

and yes, i think there are a few peopel who could do with a bit of fashion advice but essentially, it doesnt bother me as long as they dont smell bad ;)

[SheIsMySin]

its not really anything to do with not feeling good about myself, more like feeling comfortable enough for people to see me at my worst (or whether im going to be comfortable enough in my outfit to dance without falling over and breaking my ankles)

i love my corsets so much, they make me feel really good about myself when im not feeling my best... they enhance me, you could say... im not scruffy, i just like to go for comfort over style sometimes...

[AlistairOddcult]

Wight - you talking about Nexus or The Dungeon? Nexus was usually ok, but the Dungeon could get shitty when you had the townies in to drink after pub chuck out time. I used to be a regular there. The only trouble I saw was the poser-biker crowd who'd hang out in the alcove at the back downstairs. I know a lot of proper bikers, but that lot were just a 'gang' that tried to hard to look hard and thought they owned the place.

Slimes is a lot better than the Dungeon, but I do miss it.

[Jessevision]

It does'nt bother myself what others wear in clubs so long as they fit in some alternative style of which holds the club together.

Generally i believe you can get a sense of purpose for people whom are welcome and unwelcome in clubs... but sometimes the door bitch / bouncers will not see that through there vision.

[Goblino]

I like to be pretty alternative, hence the bid red afro & long red shoes! :twisted:

[gothic_diva]

Exactly!!!! Just like we would not belong or be let in to a casual place with a dress code. They do not want us in their clubs...

in montreal we call them "tourists" and they are equally irritating... gross poorly dressed (white running shoes, blue jeans etc.) guys who fetishize goth womyn but would call us freaks if they saw us on the streets if they were with their equally obnoxious friends. and they cannot dance but take up way too much space on the dance floor.

[Agatheis]

To me, the perfect outfit will fit in anywhere. If you can get admiring looks in any bar, club, office, police station or park, then I think you've got it right!

Would anyone disagree if I said that generally the female slimelight attendees are better dressed, smell nicer and appear nicer than the male ones?

It sounds odd, but I can't imagine any club in London turning away a corsetted (is that a word?) girl who looks good. But I can see clubs turning away people dressed in scruffy black t+shirts and trousers.

That's the difference, I think. It doesn't matter -what- you're wearing, as long as it looks as if you made a lot of effort.

A.

[myron74]

I agree with the last post. My girlfriend got hassled at a Goth night by a Goth. I've been punched at an alternative night by somebody dressed completely in black, which seems to be being hinted at as the Goth 'uniform', for no other reason than he was drunk, I was still waiting for my friends, and he thought it would impress his mates (and I'm 6'2"!).

Surely it's up to the club to make sure that people of whatever tastes behave. If a so-called casual (and I hate this genre-classifcation thing 'I'm a goth, you're not') is behaving and letting others enjoy themselves, then why not let them be there. Not all my friends are goth or even alternative. If people cause trouble, whatever their 'flavour' they should be ejected.

All that said, if there's a dress code to a place there's a dress code. If it's the rules, follow them!

[Icicle]

To me, the perfect outfit will fit in anywhere. If you can get admiring looks in any bar, club, office, police station or park, then I think you've got it right!

Would anyone disagree if I said that generally the female slimelight attendees are better dressed, smell nicer and appear nicer than the male ones?

It sounds odd, but I can't imagine any club in London turning away a corsetted (is that a word?) girl who looks good. But I can see clubs turning away people dressed in scruffy black t+shirts and trousers.

That's the difference, I think. It doesn't matter -what- you're wearing, as long as it looks as if you made a lot of effort.

A.
I do agree that female Slimelight attendees look nicer than the male ones.
And I do agree that a corsetted girl is welcome everywhere, but it is because it screems "sex" and sex sells.
I have had my bottom pinched by yuppies, passers-by on Upper Street as I was rushing down the road dressed for Slimlight. And middle aged city gentelmen from Weybridge jumped off their first class seats just to make room for me (only because of my domina-like outfits I would wear for visits to my boyfriend at the time). I will mention that I am not that beautifull and that I do not wear very revealing clothes. Neither am I that sort of attention seeker. I've personaly never experienced these kind of incidents in Slimelight but I have witnessed trouble on couple of occassions started by outsiders who think that women in Slimes are "avaliable". And it does spoil my night.

My point is that people who are not bothered to look the part are less likely to understand and obey the unwritten rules of the club. I'd rather not give them a chance to prove me right. If that makes me judgemental, so be it!

[PapaLazarou]

For me its about ambiance as well - Slimes feels alternative because of the clientele, and the way they dress is a big part of that, compared to say Sin City which feels about as alternative as a nice hot shepherds pie.

[commiepig]

wasn't gonna start a new thread on this, so hope she reads this...

was in the british library shop earlier (I am such an erudite neo-goth) and spotted a great t-shirt (BLACK of course!). On the front in white letters it says "snow queen", and on the back "ice maiden". Fantastic.

someone should get it for ya!

[commiepig]

oops...omitted to add that it's something to do with a Hans Christian Anderson exhibition they've got going on....otherwise doesn't make all that much sense....!

[snoww_wwhite]

oops...omitted to add that it's something to do with a Hans Christian Anderson exhibition they've got going on....otherwise doesn't make all that much sense....!

you mean this one?

http://www.bl.uk/acatalog/hans-christian-andersen-t-shirt-snow200.jpg

i am sure my friend the skull fucker would like to see me in this t-shirt though:

http://www.bl.uk/acatalog/hans-christian-andersen-t-shirt-ugly200.jpg

either one, i suggest size XL or L maybe ;)

or not maybe as i rarely wear tshirts but nice thought ;)


also the snow queen spell herself with 1 w ... tsk!

also i used to love the stories of Hans Christian Andersen when i was a kid :D

PS: the use of picture references is limited, i have included too many so far, so no more pics for a while from me

[snoww_wwhite]

I do agree that female Slimelight attendees look nicer than the male ones.
And I do agree that a corsetted girl is welcome everywhere, but it is because it screems "sex" and sex sells.
I have had my bottom pinched by yuppies, passers-by on Upper Street as I was rushing down the road dressed for Slimlight. And middle aged city gentelmen from Weybridge jumped off their first class seats just to make room for me (only because of my domina-like outfits I would wear for visits to my boyfriend at the time). I will mention that I am not that beautifull and that I do not wear very revealing clothes. Neither am I that sort of attention seeker. I've personaly never experienced these kind of incidents in Slimelight but I have witnessed trouble on couple of occassions started by outsiders who think that women in Slimes are "avaliable". And it does spoil my night.

My point is that people who are not bothered to look the part are less likely to understand and obey the unwritten rules of the club. I'd rather not give them a chance to prove me right. If that makes me judgemental, so be it!

i have had one bloke throw himself onto his knees in front of me in a very submissive pose... i ignored him and a girl pinch my bottom... i looked at her amused and in disbelief .. ;)

but i must say i have had many great compliments from people, i appreciate every one of them, so my outfits seem to please the eyes of many people other than a certain 'friend' of mine who dislikes my looks so much and who thinks i am so fat that i should hide.

i get the occasional 'over keen' bloke but i usually simply say a couple of things to them and they seem to prefer to walk away, which is good and wise of them :D

other than that, i like slimelight a lot, that is why i keep coming back!

[Icicle]

[QUOTE=snoww_wwhite]i have had one bloke throw himself onto his knees in front of me in a very submissive pose... i ignored him and a girl pinch my bottom... i looked at her amused and in disbelief .. ;)

but i must say i have had many great compliments from people, i appreciate every one of them, so my outfits seem to please the eyes of many people other than a certain 'friend' of mine who dislikes my looks so much and who thinks i am so fat that i should hide.
QUOTE]

Ha, well, why don't they pinch themselves (or offer me to kick them) and say something like:"You look unbelievable good, just wanted to make sure I wasn't dreaming!?"? I hate to be touched by strangers, and I certainly do not take it as a compliment when someone pinches me. Some drunken, desperate regulars in Slimelight might feel the urge to do the same, but they don't want to be barred from the club and therefore will choose to sustain themselves from such a behaviour. "Casuals" are more likelly to have missconceptions about the club and will not care if they get thrown out simply because THEY HAVE SO MANY OTHER CLUBS TO GO TO.

[Agatheis]

Hey, don't get me wrong. I know plenty of Slimelight men who are very 'easy'.

Or at least, they probably would be if they weren't such lecherous mongs (self included).

It also depends on why you go to Slimelight. Some people go just to dance, or to get drunk or meet people. Some people go to be seen and be seen in their outfits. Myself, I go so infrequently that I hardly know anyone any more. But that's what being an international man of mystery does to you...

A.

[snoww_wwhite]

Hey, don't get me wrong. I know plenty of Slimelight men who are very 'easy'.

Or at least, they probably would be if they weren't such lecherous mongs (self included).

It also depends on why you go to Slimelight. Some people go just to dance, or to get drunk or meet people. Some people go to be seen and be seen in their outfits. Myself, I go so infrequently that I hardly know anyone any more. But that's what being an international man of mystery does to you...

A.

i dress up every time i go but come 11:30 i have already danced enough to look a tad flushed and more so later :D

i find it nice though to go there in ironed clothes and look as good as i can to start the night.

good is obviously subjective...

[stateofecstasy]

i dress up every time i go but come 11:30 i have already danced enough to look a tad flushed and more so later :D

i find it nice though to go there in ironed clothes and look as good as i can to start the night.

good is obviously subjective...


Yes it is nice to make some effort when going to Slimelight :D And actually looking good with nice clothes instead of scrunched up crap.
:D

[Mike1334]

I don't see the point in a dresscode, it is the people that count.
I was DJing in a german club for 2 years, never had any problems with "normals" on my floor, even though there were a lot (Was playing trad goth and new wave - people don't need to look gothygoth to know about music and be nice). Actually, the only (few) troubles we had were with the usualy gothkiddies with about 1000€ of gothygoth clothes on their asses.
At a later point they started with "dresscode gothic" (because a lot of the kiddies cried that there are too many "normals" in the club), and most of the cool old people vanished...

I am absolutely against dresscodes, people should be ONLY defined by their personality, not by their look !

Mike

(I was also told once - by a 16 years old Cinema Strange-fan - that I don't know anything about gothic, I not even have a mohawk... Do I need a mohawk to enter the trad goth floor in Slimelight ? :D )

[Lustmord666]

the last time I had a mohawk was 1995

[snoww_wwhite]

I am absolutely against dresscodes, people should be ONLY defined by their personality, not by their look !

Mike

(I was also told once - by a 16 years old Cinema Strange-fan - that I don't know anything about gothic, I not even have a mohawk... Do I need a mohawk to enter the trad goth floor in Slimelight ? :D )

as far as i can remember you did not have the goth bashing culture that many of the goths had to suffer over here, also not usual are bar and club fights. i used to go to a club in germany where normal people and goths shared both dancefloor and bars and it was fine, even goths and metallers and bikers and trendies did but its just not quite as easy as that over here. somehow most of the trouble i encountered so far in clubs was by townies and even after the club, the ones who attacked us were not goths, though they picked on us shouting "oh look goths".

also no you do not have a mohawk or any other particular type of hairdo to get into slimelight but it sure helps ;)

also it is not going to kill anyone or break the bank or anything to dress up in all black. you rarely find pubs or clubs in germany that would not let you in if you do not wear a shirt and tie but its tradition in the uk, so its either stick to it or stay at home and watch big brother.


also i agree you should not judge a person by their clothing, you should not be beaten up for wearing the wrong clothes, you should be able to wear whatever you wish whenever wherever but its just not going to happen is it?

[TheHappyDead]

@snoww_wwhite:
Thx :)

[Fox aka 'The Shadow']

Division of whatever kind seems to be a particularly 'English' thing, from barriers of class, entree into a particular group or in image of a person; despite a cloying 'psuedo-liberalism' prevalent in British Society, for quite some time, now (a sickening 'Straight Liberalism' which is ersatz-groovy, the reality immediately beneath the surface, always), it seems to be in the nature of our Society in this Country to forever impose ceratin limitations and criteria, most of it 'unwritten', which can make life so hard for those of us who are outside of the 'mainstream' - the workplace is a classic example of this - to 'fit in', and even if one should wish to, sometimes one is never 'permitted' - perhaps any of you may know what I mean? It is a largely 'Straight' world, and sadly in many cases and scenarios they 'call the shots' and their criteria/preferences hold sway, which in turn is why some of us especially reject this and 'stick our fingers up' by being what we are...

Clothes are a shell, really, even though the expression is visible and important, but still a shell; what is important, obviously, is the deep-core 'cut of a person', and I have known some straights who are 'diamonds' and some alternatives whom I wouldn't wipe the floor with, with regard to their stance/attitude - People are people, indeed, and one would trust that ANY alternative is sound and 'kosher', as it were, for daring to spit in the face by image/stance, in the first place...

I view myself that, to burn in a fire or whatever one loses one's clothes and identity, the shell gone automatically; only the Soul is always ever there, and social-structures are often self-imposed, which is the nature, I suppose, for the Human need for 'pecking orders' in matters of heirarchy, etc... It is best to travel with others but remain 'alone', within, without too many expectations. Hey nurse, can I leave the psycho-ward, now? I'll be goooood, I promise...

[Mike1334]

I think it should not be a problem to enter, I usually always wear plain black (goth enough... hehe), I just absolutely dislike this "must".

The only troubles you got here in germany as a "goth" is (rarely even) with neonazis, otherwise just people pointing at you and talk about satanism.

I agree that it is not cool to have people around that watch at you (usually the girls of course) like at a piece of meat, but this I also saw from a big lot of people (guys) dressed in black as well, does it make any difference then ?

[Lustmord666]

as far as i can remember you did not have the goth bashing culture that many of the goths had to suffer over here, also not usual are bar and club fights. i used to go to a club in germany where normal people and goths shared both dancefloor and bars and it was fine, even goths and metallers and bikers and trendies did but its just not quite as easy as that over here. somehow most of the trouble i encountered so far in clubs was by townies and even after the club, the ones who attacked us were not goths, though they picked on us shouting "oh look goths".
The only troublemakes I once saw were boneheads. Theres always some idiots out there

[TheHappyDead]

The only troubles you got here in germany as a "goth" is (rarely even) with neonazis, otherwise just people pointing at you and talk about satanism.

I agree that it is not cool to have people around that watch at you (usually the girls of course) like at a piece of meat, but this I also saw from a big lot of people (guys) dressed in black as well, does it make any difference then ?

Sorry, it's quite busy here, so I am going to post in German. Mike will understand it, for sure.

Mein lieber Mike! (Ich mag die 1334... Hehe!)

Soll ich dir einmal erzählen, wie oft ich schon von Nazis verprügelt worden bin? So ungefähr zehn Mal. Aber das lag mit Sicherheit nicht an meinen Gruftklamotten, sondern an meinen wunderschönen blauen Augen! Haha!
Und darf ich dich vielleicht auch an diverse Wave Gothic Treffen in Leipzig erinnern? Wir duften rund um die Uhr Wache schieben, weil ein paar Rechte gewisse Aktionen angedroht hatten.
Und was ist mit den Bullen, die mich alle Nase lang belästigen? Ich kann das Wort "Ausweiskontrolle" mittlerweile wirklich nicht mehr hören.
Eine witzige Geschichte? In Dortmund(!) kam einmal ein Typ mittleren Alters auf mich zu - mit einem Ausdruck des absoluten Entsetzens auf seinem Gesicht. Er fragte mich doch tatsächlich, ob ich eigentlich wüßte, was ich meinen Eltern damit antun würde. Er kam mit meinen kahlrasierten Seiten einfach nicht klar.

Ich bin grundsätzlich gegen Kleidervorschriften - und, ehrlich gesagt, ist dies der einzige Grund, warum ich bis dato dem Slimelight ferngeblieben bin. Ich muss jedoch zugeben, dass Snoww_wwhites Ausführungen ziemlich einleuchtend klingen.

[Azazel]

I dont get why this seems to be such a big issue. If you really are into the scene you would dress the part anyway. I would feel out of place in civies at slimelight. To me the dresscode seems to be logical and appropriate.

(side thoughts)
Civies at Slimelight would be sort of like showing up at your corporate workplace with a mohawk, facial piercings and tatoos on every visible piece of skin.
or
Going for a 10mile jog wearing your business suit.


yeah you could do it but you'd look like a fool.http://www.artfulalf.com/fool%20web.gif

[TheHappyDead]

I dont get why this seems to be such a big issue. If you really are into the scene you would dress the part anyway. I would feel out of place in civies at slimelight. To me the dresscode seems to be logical and appropriate.

That's not the point, Azazel.
It's the idea which causes uneasiness here. A dress code is a kind of discrimination - whether you like it or not. You judge people just because of the way they look like.
The German goth scene is (still) much more interested in politics than the ones of other countries - and most of us are very left-winged, for sure. If you wear goth clothes in Germany you do not only show your taste in music but also your political attitude. That's why the (few) Nazis here hate us so much.
Many German goths - especially the older ones - consider a dress code to be politically incorrect. Have a look at our history - and maybe you'll understand it then.

Slimelight has its reasons, I know. (Thanks again, snoww_wwhite!) The question is whether I can "live" with the idea of a dress code or not. But as snoww_wwhite has already said it before: Slimelight doesn't need me. ;)

Btw.: One of my friends listens to gothic rock for many, many years by now - and she doesn't wear black at all.

[TheHappyDead]

yeah you could do it but you'd look like a fool.

Yes, I COULD do it!

Do you see the difference?
It's my very own decision; I am not FORCED to wear jogging trousers. Some people would laugh at me, for sure, but no one would say: "You don't wear jogging trousers - so you are not allowed to do some jogging. Simple."

[Rivetmike]

Civies at Slimelight would be sort of like showing up at your corporate workplace with a mohawk, facial piercings and tatoos on every visible piece of skin.


That's me bar the tattoos. I dress exactly how I dress for work as I do if I'm going out at the weekend.

If that makes me a fool then so be it but an equal amount would say that your two very different dresscodes (depending on circumstance) make you a "weekend warrior" (to coin a phrase)

Rivetmike

[snoww_wwhite]

Sorry, it's quite busy here, so I am going to post in German. Mike will understand it, for sure.

Mein lieber Mike! (Ich mag die 1334... Hehe!)

Soll ich dir einmal erzählen, wie oft ich schon von Nazis verprügelt worden bin? So ungefähr zehn Mal. Aber das lag mit Sicherheit nicht an meinen Gruftklamotten, sondern an meinen wunderschönen blauen Augen! Haha!
Und darf ich dich vielleicht auch an diverse Wave Gothic Treffen in Leipzig erinnern? Wir duften rund um die Uhr Wache schieben, weil ein paar Rechte gewisse Aktionen angedroht hatten.
Und was ist mit den Bullen, die mich alle Nase lang belästigen? Ich kann das Wort "Ausweiskontrolle" mittlerweile wirklich nicht mehr hören.
Eine witzige Geschichte? In Dortmund(!) kam einmal ein Typ mittleren Alters auf mich zu - mit einem Ausdruck des absoluten Entsetzens auf seinem Gesicht. Er fragte mich doch tatsächlich, ob ich eigentlich wüßte, was ich meinen Eltern damit antun würde. Er kam mit meinen kahlrasierten Seiten einfach nicht klar.

Ich bin grundsätzlich gegen Kleidervorschriften - und, ehrlich gesagt, ist dies der einzige Grund, warum ich bis dato dem Slimelight ferngeblieben bin. Ich muss jedoch zugeben, dass Snoww_wwhites Ausführungen ziemlich einleuchtend klingen.


komisch, dass ich gerade beim WGT als nazi beschimpft wurde, von den lieben grufties und punkrock leutchens. naja, nicht gerade komisch, weil unsere uniformen sehen schon ziemlich fascho aus aber salutieren oder politische statements haben wir und werden wir nicht mache, das ist unsere privat angelegenheit und ich lasse mir das wochenende weder von faschisten noch von kommunisten, anarchisten, selbst ernannten predigern oder ubereifrigen guttuern verderben. ich greife niemanden das, gleich welcher gesinnung, sexueller orientierung, koeperlicher behinderung, haut und haarfarbe, abstammung oder sozialer hintergrund, leider hab ich viel zu oft die erfahrung gemacht, dass andere da nicht so viel disziplin haben, um andersartige leute in ruhe ihren spass haben lassen koennen.

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translation of the above (gawds this is harder than i though ;) ):

strange, that i was especially called a nazi by the dearest goths at the WGT (Wave Gotik Treffen) and the punk rockers. well, not so strange really as our uniforms look indeed very fascist but we refused to salute or to make any political stament and we will continue to do so because our politics are our own private matter and we do not let our weekends be spoilt by either fascist, communists, anarchists, self proclaimed preachers or overzealous dogooders. i do not attack anyone regardless of their views, sexual orientation, physical ability, skin - or haircolour or social background, unfortunately i have made far too often the experience that not everyone is similarly as disciplined to let people who are somewhat different have their fun in peace.

[snoww_wwhite]

Slimelight has its reasons, I know. (Thanks again, snoww_wwhite!) The question is whether I can "live" with the idea of a dress code or not. But as snoww_wwhite has already said it before: Slimelight doesn't need me. ;)


no no, i did not say say, of course Slimelight needs you

http://www.inflash.com/card_images/We%20Need%20A%20Few%20Free%20Minds.jpg

i cannot see what your big problem is, if you wera black all the time anyway, then come as you are.

also people who should stick to the dresscode do not normally do so, they seem to find their way into the club regardless, so still i fail to see the problem.

if you are anything but a one season goth wonder then you are most likely the person who could walk into slimelight, much like myself with their every day clothing anyway and not be questioned at all.

so dont be such a dickkopf ;)

[snoww_wwhite]

That's me bar the tattoos. I dress exactly how I dress for work as I do if I'm going out at the weekend.

If that makes me a fool then so be it but an equal amount would say that your two very different dresscodes (depending on circumstance) make you a "weekend warrior" (to coin a phrase)

Rivetmike


hah, i agree with you (get your calendar and mark the occasion ;) )

i "could" wear my corporate clothing at slimelight but i much rather not thanks ;)

but i would not consider myself a fake or a weekend warrior even at weekes where i have been in the office every day, with my hair firmly covering my undercut ;)

[TheHappyDead]

komisch, dass ich gerade beim WGT als nazi beschimpft wurde, von den lieben grufties und punkrock leutchens. naja, nicht gerade komisch, weil unsere uniformen sehen schon ziemlich fascho aus aber salutieren oder politische statements haben wir und werden wir nicht mache, das ist unsere privat angelegenheit und ich lasse mir das wochenende weder von faschisten noch von kommunisten, anarchisten, selbst ernannten predigern oder ubereifrigen guttuern verderben. ich greife niemanden das, gleich welcher gesinnung, sexueller orientierung, koeperlicher behinderung, haut und haarfarbe, abstammung oder sozialer hintergrund, leider hab ich viel zu oft die erfahrung gemacht, dass andere da nicht so viel disziplin haben, um andersartige leute in ruhe ihren spass haben lassen koennen.

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translation of the above (gawds this is harder than i though ;) ):

strange, that i was especially called a nazi by the dearest goths at the WGT (Wave Gotik Treffen) and the punk rockers. well, not so strange really as our uniforms look indeed very fascist but we refused to salute or to make any political stament and we will continue to do so because our politics are our own private matter and we do not let our weekends be spoilt by either fascist, communists, anarchists, self proclaimed preachers or overzealous dogooders. i do not attack anyone regardless of their views, sexual orientation, physical ability, skin - or haircolour or social background, unfortunately i have made far too often the experience that not everyone is similarly as disciplined to let people who are somewhat different have their fun in peace.

Wie du weißt, ist dies in Deutschland ein äußerst brisantes Thema.

Zunächst einmal möchte ich etwas klarstellen. Ich fühle mich der deutschen Gruftszene in keinster Weise verbunden. Und ich sage jedem Gruftie, der es unbedingt hören möchte, ins Gesicht, dass ich mit ihrer Szene nichts am Arsch haben will. Ich hasse es, mich in Schubladen irgendwelcher Art drängen zu lassen - ich bin ich. Vielen jüngeren Grufties fehlt anscheinend die Portion Individualismus, die meine Generation noch ausgezeichnet hat - und dies ist eine gefährliche Entwicklung. (Bin ich nicht ein arrogantes Arschloch? :D) Nichtsdestotrotz habe ich über die Jahre hinweg natürlich einiges beobachtet.

Aber nun zurück zum Thema...
Wie schon erwähnt, sind viele (gerade ältere) deutsche Grufties politisch sehr interessiert - wenn nicht sogar engagiert. Und selbstverständlich - zumindest wenn man von unseren Wurzeln ausgeht - sind die meisten von ihnen politisch linksorientiert. Einer der Gründe - lassen wir einmal Bands wie DIJ links liegen - warum die Rechten immer mal wieder versuchen, unsere Szene zu unterwandern. Zugegebenermaßen reagieren einige Gufties schon alleine deshalb mittlerweile ein "wenig" zu überempfindlich. Dies soll keine Entschuldigung, sondern nur der Versuch einer Erklärung sein! (Ich habe deine Ausführungen ebenso aufgefasst.) Idioten gibt es halt überall - aber wir reden hier nur von einer Minderheit!
Persönlich bin ich - und viele andere deutsche Grufties - der Meinung, dass eine Kleidervorschrift keine akzeptierbare Maßnahme ist. Man kann die Probleme auch anders lösen - zumindest hier in Deutschland. (Ich bin momentan ziemlich häufig in London, doch möchte ich mir nicht anmaßen, ein Urteil über die dort vorherrschende Situation zu fällen.)
Vor nicht allzu langer Zeit hatten wir das Thema "Dress Code" in einer meiner bevorzugten Diskos. Ausgerechnet an meinem letzen Auftritt als DJ wurden wir von ein paar Nazis heimgesucht. Die Folge war eine üble Prügelei - und ich muss gestehen, dass auch ich ein "wenig" falsch reagiert habe. "Tanz mit Laibach" war wohl kaum die angemessene Musikwahl - aber aus irgendwelchen Gründen stand mir plötzlich der Kopf danach. ;) Gleich am nächsten Tag hat der Besitzer die Stammkunden unter uns zu einem Gespräch geladen, in dem wir uns fast einstimmig gegen einen "Dress Code" entschieden haben. Wir mussten allerdings versprechen, in Zukunft etwas besonnener zur Sache zu gehen.

Perhaps snoww_wwhite could be so nice to translate this. :D

[TheHappyDead]

i cannot see what your big problem is, if you wera black all the time anyway, then come as you are.
...
if you are anything but a one season goth wonder then you are most likely the person who could walk into slimelight, much like myself with their every day clothing anyway and not be questioned at all.

so dont be such a dickkopf ;)

Yes, I admit I am a Dickkopf. But hey - what do you expect? I am a capricorn :D

I am a full time goth, btw.

[Rivetmike]

hah, i agree with you (get your calendar and mark the occasion ;) )

i "could" wear my corporate clothing at slimelight but i much rather not thanks ;)



Admittedly it's probably easier for me than most considering the relaxed nature of business and the fact that I don't dress up as much as some of this board (SP, Snowwy, Crash and SG I'm looking your way). I just wanted to contradict Azazel for making such a narrow minded statement.

Rivetmike

[Azazel]

lol, not narrow-minded just realistic. 'Normals' expect certain things from their employees. We have enough prejudices to get over without adding a goth image to it.

In certain circumstances it just wont work out. e.g. i'm an IT consultant for alot of 'important' (read 'rich or famous') people and if I went dressed goth I wouldnt have many clients. Yes certain clients would be understanding, but others are just pissy enough to make a fuss over it.

[industrialwarrior]

If that makes me a fool then so be it but an equal amount would say that your two very different dresscodes (depending on circumstance) make you a "weekend warrior" (to coin a phrase)

lol, not narrow-minded just realistic. 'Normals' expect certain things from their employees. We have enough prejudices to get over without adding a goth image to it.

I've recently changed jobs. well, that's not entirely true, the company I was working for closed down for good, and a new company took over the premises, and kept the existing workforce of the previous company.

I've only been with them since the end of May, but I'm already seeing hints from management's view that they think I am not conforming, when, in my view, I think I conform quite nicely.

I am currently working for Monsoon.

So the "weekend warrior" thing is true for me, unfortunately. If I turned up for work in Monsoon clothes, with my blue braids and angled eyeshadow (see my pic) they'd have a fit! I tone my look right down for work, even wear eyeshadow colours to go with the clothes I am wearing. One comment I got was "Your eyeshadow looks nice today. or rather, lack of it"... (and she's never seen me in my bright make up ever!!!)

And only the other day I went into work to inform them of my next physio appointment, I was in a bright shimmery electric blue top and shorts (because I had just seen the physio that day, and he needed access to my knee)... the manageress was like "you can't come in here dressed like that!"
I said "why not?" and she replied, "what if we were to have a store visit and they saw you like that, they'd have kittens!"
So i thought she was referring to my being behind the scenes off duty. this was not the case, she assured me. So, I'm left thinking, can I not even go into Monsoon, as a CUSTOMER now, because I was predominantly blue (yes there was blue eyeshadow and blue lippy to go with the blue top)...?

it just beggars belief. As the second quote refers to "normals" (I call them trendy-ites) wanting their workforce to look presentable, I understand. But I think Monsoon are pushing it a touch too far.....

I'm conforming to their requirements. I'm not taking my braids out though, they sit in my high ponytail at work, but are just not coloured blue. If anything, customers comment on how they LIKE the way my hair is! And I toned my make-up right down for them, and the one day I wear less (because the damn sale Tshirts were red!! argh!) i got the loaded comment about the eyeshadow.

So you can imagine, it's very frustrating..... *sigh*

akam.

[TheHappyDead]

My boss is quite open-minded. He even accepted the blue hair I had once. On the other hand he does not have the choice; he wants to keep me. He knows well I would leave the company if he started complaining about my outward appearance.

I must admit my work outfit differs from the clothes I wear in clubs. Also, I hardly use any make-up when I have to work. The reason is simple; I am a lazy bastard. In addition all of my workmates are men; I really don't think all of them would be able to cope with it. So I choose velvet dresses, army or latex trousers most of the time.

It's sad enough that most of us can't wear their favourite clothes in business life. Just because other people are narrow-minded we don't need to be it as well, do we?

[snoww_wwhite]

it just beggars belief. As the second quote refers to "normals" (I call them trendy-ites) wanting their workforce to look presentable, I understand. But I think Monsoon are pushing it a touch too far.....

I'm conforming to their requirements. I'm not taking my braids out though, they sit in my high ponytail at work, but are just not coloured blue. If anything, customers comment on how they LIKE the way my hair is! And I toned my make-up right down for them, and the one day I wear less (because the damn sale Tshirts were red!! argh!) i got the loaded comment about the eyeshadow.

So you can imagine, it's very frustrating..... *sigh*

akam.


i think the term "weekend warrrior" was mainly used to point at people who dress up only to go to the clubs on the weekend and never during the week, not even when they are off duty. i mean, i cannot wear my normal gear in the office, though wearing all black at the office means i could still get into slimelight in my office gear :P but if i am not in the office i wear clothes that easily gets me into slimelight or most fetish clubs even, if i chose to go to them in my street gear ... though i like putting special stuff on in order to go out, iam vain that way. RivetMike who introduced us to the terms "weekend warrior" is definetly another person who doesnt dress up as something just in order to go to a club and i understand his comment as a slight hint that to some people our way of life is just a big charade, which is all nice and good but its sometimes frustrating to having to explain to people why we want a sanctuary from "normal" people (i am sure having read your post you understand exactly what i mean)

[Skylizard]

I wear what i feel comforatable in , and i don't give a toss what others think, wether they are trendies (townies) or or the alternative gothic fashion police. If you judge then you are both one in the same.............

[industrialwarrior]

Ho hummm.... today is Monday, and it's my first day back at work since the surgery.
So in just over an hour's time, I'm going to be wiggling off up the road in my Monsoon clothes..... (use your imaginations here.... argh!!!).

I love nothing more than to look what the trendy-ites call "weird", or "a freak". I love bright blue and purple eyemakeup, and I mean bright... (I wore my funky uv-reactive eyeshadow at Slimes only recently) and my blue lippy. I wear it this way when I'm not working, simply because it's me, and it's how I feel comfortable.

Snowwy i understand your comments perfectly (oh and btw I'm sure I saw you there on Sat but I didn't want to ask in case I had the wrong person *sniff*) I came up to the stompy room later in the evening and was sat with my mates Martin, and Dave. You might have even seen us. If you saw a guy dressed at the Crow, and a girl with lots of glowy blue UV on her face sitting together, that would be me and Dave. Martin would be the guy sat the other side of me.

So Snowwy I'd love to dress up with my fave outfits all the time. Damn shame retail companies can't appreciate peoples' differences and understand that some of us actually LIKE having blue hair, garish eyemakeup, etc etc... I even go to visit my mum dressed like it, she thinks I'm odd, but hey, it's mum, what does she know??:D

And if that *was* you I saw, next time I come to Slimes I will come over and say hi! LOL! Same goes for anyone else on here, if I think I recognise you... I can't always get down to Slimes because I also have a Sunday job, the next time I'll be going will now be 8th October (my b'day is the 10th) to celebrate, if anyone on here recognises me, or thinks they do, come and say hi! Hopefully Dave will go as the Crow again so if you see the Crow, I won't be far away....

Right, I gotta go and sort my hair (damn hiding the braids... I love my braids) and get ready for work. Had a whole month off, so this will certainly be interesting... *sigh*

laterz

Axx

[PapaLazarou]

I hope your day goes well.

Don't let the bastards grind you down.

[Rivetmike]

I wear what i feel comforatable in , and i don't give a toss what others think, wether they are trendies (townies) or or the alternative gothic fashion police. If you judge then you are both one in the same.............


I agree, in using the term "weekend warrior" I was just applying Azazels own logic back at him after he made this Comment.

"(side thoughts)
Civies at Slimelight would be sort of like showing up at your corporate workplace with a mohawk, facial piercings and tatoos on every visible piece of skin"

Which whether he knew it or not definately applies to me. He then proceeded to deem such people as http://www.artfulalf.com/fool%20web.gif

I'd say "lucky" ;)

Rivetmike

[PapaLazarou]

Its an unfortunate truth that most employers do judge on appearances, I was thrown off a customer site I had worked at for three years because a new manager came in and didn't like my long hair and goatee (both now gone for different reasons). My current manager saw a picture of me like that and said he would never have employed me if I had come to the interview looking like that........

oh well fuck 'em - as my dear old gran used to say

[snoww_wwhite]

I wear what i feel comforatable in , and i don't give a toss what others think, wether they are trendies (townies) or or the alternative gothic fashion police. If you judge then you are both one in the same.............


hehe, iam the same, i judge people by what they wear. i judeged the young person on his "Led Zepelin" t-shirt on saturday and the other bloke with his "Skinny Puppy" t-shirt and i instantly felt that i had more in common with the latter than the former.

i dont mind being the same but then again, i do wear uniform - induviduality is a state of mind not a fashion statement.

i have to admit i judge people on a lot more than JUST on their clothing but i also wonder why some people bother going to slimelight even though they SEEM to totally not fit, dont know what to do with the music they hear and seem dressed out of place.

[snoww_wwhite]

Admittedly it's probably easier for me than most considering the relaxed nature of business and the fact that I don't dress up as much as some of this board (SP, Snowwy, Crash and SG I'm looking your way). I just wanted to contradict Azazel for making such a narrow minded statement.

Rivetmike

i do not think being narrow minded is per se a bad thing btw ;)

narrow minded ness or possibly more accurate being decisive and to know what you like, having a focussed rather than narrow mind, aids elitism and to be honest, while i did not nessessarily like the stuck up behaviour of a lot of goths and industrials about 10 ish years or so ago, i have to come to the conclusion that being too open minded and tolerant weakens the subculture to the point where we are forced to listen to uplifting trance in a club that was set up to be different.

tolerance and open mindedness is a two way thing and while people are screaming about our totalitarian chic, i will criticise them on their trainers and blue denim trousers.

[snoww_wwhite]

And if that *was* you I saw, next time I come to Slimes I will come over and say hi! LOL! Same goes for anyone else on here, if I think I recognise you...


yes i know i saw you but i rarely go up to people because i might appear a bit scary to some (again judging on my appearance but hell, i live with it all the time) so i leave it up to others to make up their minds to come and say hi :D

after all i might be scary but i *can* be a considerate scary uniform bitch ;)

[TheHappyDead]

Hmmm... music... guys... Argh! I can be such an intolerant bastard! *cries*

:D

[snoww_wwhite]

Hmmm... music... guys... Argh! I can be such an intolerant bastard! *cries*

:D

hey youre not intolerant, youre eclectic, sheesh ;)

[TheHappyDead]

hey youre not intolerant, youre eclectic, sheesh ;)

Like you.

I would have chosen that guy in the Skinny Puppy t-shirt, too - especially if he had had long black hair. ;)
It's human, isn't it?

[Rivetmike]

tolerance and open mindedness is a two way thing and while people are screaming about our totalitarian chic, i will criticise them on their trainers and blue denim trousers.

That's what I don't understand. The need to criticize others clothing (OK so I *may* be guilty on occasion but only in "extreme" circumstances ;)). Your "totaliarian chic" is not really for me but I accept that it looks good on you (and others). I think the people underneath the clothes should be open to criticism......

I remember when I first started going to Slimelight (when the dresscode was a little more enforced than it is now) and felt the need to buy clothes that in retrospect didn't reeally suit me just to get through the doors. I think back to a couple of the tops in particular and cringe. My point is that no one is born is full regalia (or Klinik t-shirt) and Slimelight is likely to pick up people who feel that they may have outgrown their particular subculture but don't yet (or have the intention of) dressing in either a) fleuro cyber gear b) lace and fishnet or c) uniform or "totalitarian chic". I found Slimelight from the industrial/metal scene (much like the dear departed Blink) and am still happiest in a pair of leathers and t-shirt......

Rivetmike

[TheHappyDead]

That's what I don't understand. The need to criticize others clothing (OK so I *may* be guilty on occasion but only in "extreme" circumstances ;)). Your "totaliarian chic" is not really for me but I accept that it looks good on you (and others). I think the people underneath the clothes should be open to criticism......

I remember when I first started going to Slimelight (when the dresscode was a little more enforced than it is now) and felt the need to buy clothes that in retrospect didn't reeally suit me just to get through the doors. I think back to a couple of the tops in particular and cringe. My point is that no one is born is full regalia (or Klinik t-shirt) and Slimelight is likely to pick up people who feel that they may have outgrown their particular subculture but don't yet (or have no intention of) dressing in either a) fleuro cyber gear b) lace and fishnet or c) uniform or "totalitarian chic". I found Slimelight from the industrial/metal scene (much like the dear departed Blink) and am still happiest in a pair of leathers and t-shirt......


I agree.

My boyfriend is an old school goth, nevertheless he wears leather/army trousers, Doc Martens/German combat boots and t-shirts most of the time. And, honestly, that's exactly what I like. The thought he could not get into a club actually makes me laugh.

[SP]

Yep ... gotta agree whole-heartedly ... if I'm not "tarted-up", I'm comfiest in leathers & a black T-shirt too.

He he ... it baffles the shit out of a lot of people who just don't recognise me!

[Skylizard]

Yep ... gotta agree whole-heartedly ... if I'm not "tarted-up", I'm comfiest in leathers & a black T-shirt too.

He he ... it baffles the shit out of a lot of people who just don't recognise me!



The nails always give you away though :)

[industrialwarrior]

yes i know i saw you but i rarely go up to people because i might appear a bit scary to some (again judging on my appearance but hell, i live with it all the time) so i leave it up to others to make up their minds to come and say hi :D
after all i might be scary but i *can* be a considerate scary uniform bitch ;)

hey so I *was* right... LOL! I like to be sure before I just waltz over to someone in a club, asking, "hey, aren't you so-and-so from the Slimes forum?"
and get a blank, bewildered look in reply...

I didn't think you looked scary, in fact you looked quite cool.... I just wanted to be sure first :D

So if you're there on the 8th... I'll come and say hi :)

[hsbc-c0re]

i have to come to the conclusion that being too open minded and tolerant weakens the subculture to the point where we are forced to listen to uplifting trance in a club that was set up to be different.

tolerance and open mindedness is a two way thing and while people are screaming about our totalitarian chic, i will criticise them on their trainers and blue denim trousers.
yeah, but who's dancing to the uplifting trance. maybe a handful of people in jeans and trainers on the dance floor BUT i bet the vast majority of them are infact dressed in "goth issue" (i.e. black) cyberdog, new rocks or other "camden town" footwear etc. its not for the sake of a handful of "townies" that they play this music. its because the body of actual club members seem to like it.

oh yeah.... go into cyberdog on a saturday and what do you see? people with plastic hair dancing on the tables to cheezy trance ((a shudder runs down hsbc's spine here))

and here is the irony.... for all that many people in the goth scene express a hatred for the "townies" "chav" etc., what unites them with such people is a love of the snare roll and the uplifting arpeggio.... yeah mate, i'm pillin me tits off. in the case of future pop, add a male vocal and a floor load of silly fuckers with goggles on their heads.

actually the über-townies don't go to "Proper dance music" nights so much these days. they'll go to places for example in the leicester square area which play a policy of r'n'b and chart music, which goes back to your comments about townies at fabric being off the mark...

[snoww_wwhite]

yeah, but who's dancing to the uplifting trance. maybe a handful of people in jeans and trainers on the dance floor BUT i bet the vast majority of them are infact dressed in "goth issue" (i.e. black) cyberdog, new rocks or other "camden town" footwear etc. its not for the sake of a handful of "townies" that they play this music. its because the body of actual club members seem to like it.

oh yeah.... go into cyberdog on a saturday and what do you see? people with plastic hair dancing on the tables to cheezy trance ((a shudder runs down hsbc's spine here))

and here is the irony.... for all that many people in the goth scene express a hatred for the "townies" "chav" etc., what unites them with such people is a love of the snare roll and the uplifting arpeggio.... yeah mate, i'm pillin me tits off. in the case of future pop, add a male vocal and a floor load of silly fuckers with goggles on their heads.

actually the über-townies don't go to "Proper dance music" nights so much these days. they'll go to places for example in the leicester square area which play a policy of r'n'b and chart music, which goes back to your comments about townies at fabric being off the mark...

just because a lot of club members like a certain type of music does not mean it has to be played there, especially if there is dedicated clubs nearby catering totally for that taste.

also uber townies.. ah well townies chavs scallies, students, knobheads, whatever you wanna call them, i really do not care but i know there are enough of them at fabric and i said fabric because i found that the music they are playing is unusually good for a *normal people* type of club.

thank goodness though slimelight mainly is still a sanctuary for oddballs like myself. i generally like slimelight otherwise i hadnt gone there 45 times in the last year ;)

[Pink_Yvette]

I stopped going to Slimelight 5 years ago when they first started letting 'jeans' and other 'casuals' in as it completely changed the atmosphere. Hate to think what it must be like now.

[SP]

I stopped going to Slimelight 5 years ago when they first started letting 'jeans' and other 'casuals' in as it completely changed the atmosphere. Hate to think what it must be like now.
Exactly the same as it was before! ... pretty much!

[nic0]

i havn't been to slimes myself, but have heard a lot about it from friends (Ninjahamst0r to be precise) i am considering going, also living on pentonvile road is a plus.

i was under the impresion that a dress code was there to make sure that people wouldn't just wander in off the street and cause trouble, but i suppose there is a certain demographic who go looking for trouble, so it seems a bit catch 22.

ps if i wore a Misfits t-shirt would i get in?

[amax]

It's a MEMBERS CLUB... You do math..

[nic0]

....edit..

[dwellems]

Caps? What caps??

[amax]

yes me do math

me do grammar too

me can also USE CAPS

So you must be English then? Well good for you then..

[nic0]

er.. ok

wel, for a first post i appear to have already annoyed someone, so i apologise

[amax]

Don't worry about it, I did the same..

[ecclecticbb]

I stopped going to Slimelight 5 years ago when they first started letting 'jeans' and other 'casuals' in as it completely changed the atmosphere. Hate to think what it must be like now.


Hello cute Pink-Yvette!! Long time no see!!

Yeah!! 5-6 years ago when I became red and nobody was into red at the time. Slimelight was very Pink in every sense those days...

Now, I still love Slimelight to bits and have not found any club or place that could beat it, BUT imho, Slimelight is not at all what it was back in 1999-2000, mainly due to the lack of atmosphere. Now it seems that people are not interacting so much. Who knows why... However, some saturdays this atmosphere you(and me) long for comes back but you have to be lucky enough to go when it happens as it is not an every week happening unfortunately.

[snoww_wwhite]

Hello cute Pink-Yvette!! Long time no see!!

Yeah!! 5-6 years ago when I became red and nobody was into red at the time. Slimelight was very Pink in every sense those days...

Now, I still love Slimelight to bits and have not found any club or place that could beat it, BUT imho, Slimelight is not at all what it was back in 1999-2000, mainly due to the lack of atmosphere. Now it seems that people are not interacting so much. Who knows why... However, some saturdays this atmosphere you(and me) long for comes back but you have to be lucky enough to go when it happens as it is not an every week happening unfortunately.


i think, having been in different goth clubs at that time (other than slimelight :O ) that the one thing that used to bind us together was that we were swimming against the current, the love for the same music, or at least similar music, less attitude and concern for who's hair is more this or that, even though we all bitched about the other people's outfit.

i distincly remember that i used to bitch about some personal friend of L'ame immortelle, who always pretentiously played air synthesiser, as opposed to air guitar... hehe, i still liked him though for being really into the music even though l'ame immortelle was always music to slit your wrists to (life will never be the same again). yes yes the good old times, i just think a lot of newer people do lack a subculture identity and i found that it seems more chic to be a raver with (as a friend calls it) my little pony hair than a goth or a rivethead.

Loki is one very strong reason IMHO why goth hasnt gone totally under yet and while it is not my style, i wish that the industrials had somebody defending industrial as vehemently as Loki , because i think essentially both groups of people will gel more than the pseudo raver lot and the dedicated subculture people. maybe for us the music stands in the foreground and the munting comes second?

who knows.

[dwellems]

i just think a lot of newer people do lack a subculture identity and i found that it seems more chic to be a raver with (as a friend calls it) my little pony hair than a goth or a rivethead.



The pain!!! I started out as punk rocker then moved on to rock music, goth & heavy metal. Even injojed being a rustafarian till the local police took a keen interest in to me..Then one strange night with nothing better to...
I went to a RAVE!! (yes..me going to a rave?) As it turned out it was Hard Core Trance or that's the name they gave it in SA..Thats when I started to injoy this type of music and as time wore on I became more darker in the music I injoyed..(noize)

So like... I've made a full circle...well, almost....okay I'm back at wearing Black again..(on weekends)
What's good...Ppl don't see me in a crowd buring the week coz I'm not wearing black..
Anyway this probably makes me a none Rivet Compliant, or dose it??
Me personally...I don't give a shit, I just love the whole Indust/ebm/noize scene!!
This year I like the Noize scene next year..who knows???
It's what makes life all the more living for!

[DerOberst]

Even injojed being a rustafarian till the local police took a keen interest in to me.
cor mr dwellems a rasta now I and I is shocked didja have the natty dreads then mate! Somehow i cant see you with dreads but hey,I used to crimp my lovely long black hair years back(sheds a tear for his hair)

[dwellems]

Even injojed being a rustafarian till the local police took a keen interest in to me.
cor mr dwellems a rasta now I and I is shocked didja have the natty dreads then mate! Somehow i cant see you with dreads but hey,I used to crimp my lovely long black hair years back(sheds a tear for his hair)

Likewize! I have da same problem... seeing you with da long hair n' al, like!??
Yeah I've been there, done that and got the T-shert!
Yep those were the days when the hair was long..(sniff)

[snoww_wwhite]

Likewize! I have da same problem... seeing you with da long hair n' al, like!??
Yeah I've been there, done that and got the T-shert!
Yep those were the days when the hair was long..(sniff)

hehe, i have gone the other way round...

... those were the days when i still had my baldy shaved lack of hairdo ;)

gawds i am one scary fecker ;)

first i enter this country with half my head shaved and scare the natives, then i shaved it all off and then?

i let it grow bar one lil undercut ;)

heh, some day i shall become a real girl ;)

[wasted_industry]

Hello cute Pink-Yvette!! Long time no see!!

imho, Slimelight is not at all what it was back in 1999-2000, mainly due to the lack of atmosphere. Now it seems that people are not interacting so much. Who knows why...

New drugs. Ketamine, anyone?

[coldfire]

hmmm u all have very intreating opinions and views on the subject of dress code, i dress cyber myslef, coz i just love all that shit! but i feel that people can dress how they want when they want, but casual wear shldnt be alowed, jeans blah blah blah, i say black and blacker <black jeans not included in this subject> tune in next time for that one folks

[dwellems]

tune in next time for that one folks
What the radio station's name and settings?

[ecclecticbb]

New drugs. Ketamine, anyone?

Never thought of it as I hardly ever do drugs myself... But, yeah, maybe you are right...

[industrialwarrior]

hehe, i have gone the other way round...
... those were the days when i still had my baldy shaved lack of hairdo ;)
gawds i am one scary fecker ;)

it may be hard to imagine, those of you who've seen me, but my natural hair is waist length and blonde. (I say natural cos in slimes i wear cyber dreads over it with my real hair up in a bun).

as i started with metal my hair was definitely an advantage :)

miiiiiiaow x