The Prodigy

[sekrets]

Okay... Who is going to see The Prodigy at brixton academy in december?

Me and my Girlfriend (twisted lemon) are going to the saturday 4th Late show!! Yayyyy! its gonna rock!

And we'll probably come to slimes afterwards because we can!

[lemontwist]

lemontwist on here actually :P but mneh thqt doesnt matter

Cant wait 4 Prodigy :D:D:D

[Skylizard]

Okay... Who is going to see The Prodigy at brixton academy in december?

Me and my Girlfriend (twisted lemon) are going to the saturday 4th Late show!! Yayyyy! its gonna rock!

And we'll probably come to slimes afterwards because we can!

No thanks

[Guy13]

Not if the album is the Aural Disco Purgatory I've heard it is. 8O

[Rivetmike]

If I can get free tickets then yes :)

Rivetmike

[SP]

Yep,

Got tickets ... should be wicked!! :roll:



Not if the album is the Aural Disco Purgatory I've heard it is. 8O

The album is wierd ... it's kinda relaxed with more eastern influences in it and some female vocals in places. I like it ... been listening to it every day for the last week or so. Have a listen for yourself!!

The gig is bound to contain lots of old stuff anyhows ... he he!!

[sekrets]

the album is very good. And if you have a good taste in music, then you should like it!

[sekrets]

Yep,
Got tickets ... should be wicked!! :roll:


Groovy! Would u like to meet up with me and my gf (lemontwist) b4 the concert for a couple of drinks or something? I know its a long way off yet, but RANDOM

were both getting very excited about the concert whoohoo!
I saw them b4 at reading 2002 and they rock!

[Skylizard]

the album is very good. And if you have a good taste in music, then you should like it!

That's defintely a matter of opinion, I have a very good taste in music as well as extremely varied and from the bits i've heard , this is crap

[SP]

the album is very good. And if you have a good taste in music, then you should like it!

That's defintely a matter of opinion, I have a very good taste in music as well as extremely varied and from the bits i've heard , this is crap

... Subjective!

[Flux]

the album is very good. And if you have a good taste in music, then you should like it!

Hmmm, I'd strongly disagree there...I have the album and there isn't a single track that does anything on there for me. I found it to be a big disappointment.
I'm not saying that you liking the album means you have bad taste in music, I mean each to their own! But to say that you have no taste in music if you don't like it? "Well, that's just plain poppycock!" :lol:

[sekrets]

I too would count my taste in music as very varied and diverse. I listen to all kinds of shit from everywhere, Rock, metal (all varieties), ebm, industrial, dance, techno+trance, classical, progressive, electro pop, J-pop, gothic and punk, easy listening, Ethnic + world music, jazz, etc etc

I myself would not call anything "crap" as its a matter of opinion, but Id say that the prodigy album should be liked by the vast majority of people, as its got some good beats, interesting samples, and its very dancable.. something ive always loved about the prodigy!

[SP]

... Like I said ...

[sekrets]

But to say that you have no taste in music if you don't like it? "Well, that's just plain poppycock!" :lol:

I actually said if you have a good taste in music (meaning varied) then you SHOULD be open to it. not saying that you will definately love it. after all its a matter of opinion (again)
I didnt say that not liking it would render your taste in music as bad.

[Flux]

Fair enough, altho that's what was implied by your statement.

I have a very varied taste in music (believe me, my collection is as eclectic as it is large), but still it did nothing for me.


Here's my mini review that I did of the album:



Prodigy - Always Outnumbered Never Outgunned

Had it on pre-order too for when it gets it's release...listened to the "promo" copy, cancelled my pre-order. Think that sums it up really.

If this album was by a new artist it would be ok but probably mostly overlooked, but for a Prodigy album it's seriously disappointing sad really :(

At best I found it to be a distinctly average album that sounds very dated (it actually sounds like it's been made in something like Pro-Tracker or Octamed...Amiga tracker programs. I was doing shit like this around 10 years ago FFS!!) and there wasn't one track on there that stood out for me. Tis a bland affair.

I've given it a few repeat listenings and it still isn't really doing anything for me. It's a big shame really, but what can you do?

I've played it to a few people and there are those "die hard" Prodigy fans that protest that it is actually good (even tho you can see in their eyes they're really trying to convice themselves more than anyone), and those who realise this is about as essential a purchase as an aenema.

My review; 2 out of 5... would've been a 3 if it was an unknown artist, but you just can't help feeling a bit jipped that this is the Prodigy album you've waited so long for. *sigh*


I know SP will strongly object to that review, but it's my opinion on what I heard. I'm not going to recommend something that I really didn't like the sound of.

[SP]

My eyes tell no lies ... I haven't spent a day without listening to it since I got a copy!!

Just a shame for Flux ... he's missing out!

Pro-Tracker or Octamed my arse!!

[Guy13]

But to say that you have no taste in music if you don't like it? "Well, that's just plain poppycock!" :lol:

I actually said if you have a good taste in music (meaning varied) then you SHOULD be open to it. not saying that you will definately love it. after all its a matter of opinion (again)
I didnt say that not liking it would render your taste in music as bad.

This very much depends on what qualities music is to have to be able to define it as "in good taste". If something is "danceable" it does not neccesarily make it good in my own personal opinion.

[SP]

This very much depends on what qualities music is to have to be able to define it as "in good taste". If something is "danceable" it does not neccesarily make it good in my own personal opinion.

Have a listen for yourself ... you might like it ... you might not!

I just had a TripFunk album land on my desk ... I'll be giving that sucker some listening ... you can be sure of it!

[Flux]

Have a listen for yourself ... you might like it ... you might not!


Of course, that goes without saying.

SP, if I played you some tunes made in Octamed & ProTracker, you'd see what i mean ;)

[sekrets]

This very much depends on what qualities music is to have to be able to define it as "in good taste". If something is "danceable" it does not neccesarily make it good in my own personal opinion.

Where exactly did i say it had to be dancable to be "good" ?

[sekrets]

and btw, the album was made using REASON.

not my personal choice of software, as i think its shit, but it is slightly more professional than a mod tracker :)

[Guy13]

I myself would not call anything "crap" as its a matter of opinion, but Id say that the prodigy album should be liked by the vast majority of people, as its got some good beats, interesting samples, and its very dancable.. something ive always loved about the prodigy!

Here...and I did say in my own opinion.

[sekrets]

that is not actually saying that a song has to be dancable to be liked.
The fact that i find it dancable is only one reason that i gave.
get your facts right

[sekrets]

and of course everything to do with music is really a personal opinion thing.

Everyone is different after all

[SP]

Spitfire = TUNE!

[Guy13]

that is not actually saying that a song has to be dancable to be liked.
The fact that i find it dancable is only one reason that i gave.
get your facts right

Oohh....picky, picky! :wink: It implies it. :D

[heidi-lady]

Help!!!!! Where can I get tickets other than EBAY!!!!!!!!!! tried the usual ticketweb, ticketmaster etc. Need tickets!!!!! :?

[sekrets]

should have got in early. tickets went on sale at 9:00am on saturday, they were sold out by 9:15...

[heidi-lady]

You're kidding! How did I not know about this!!!!!!

It's just not Fair!

:(

[sekrets]

i dont think it was very well advertised. i only knew about it via a small article i read in a magazine! and then i checked ticketmaster for the release dates of the tkts and set my alarm clock for 8:30 in the morning!

[heidi-lady]

EBAY prices are Ł120 +

Want to go but I'm not made of money.....actually I'm kinda skint. Oh well, hope you have a great time!

[sekrets]

is that 120 + PER TICKET ??

or for a pair?

[heidi-lady]

per pair. still that's start off bid.......

[sekrets]

that is disgusting!

I think that its sick that they should be allowed to get away with doing that. Its because of these people that the concerts sell out so quickly, they all buy about 20 tickets at a time the minute they are released!

Its not fair on us really, because we end up having to pay over twice the face value of the tickets to see the bands, or miss out!

Grrrrrrr im angry!!!!

[Skylizard]

the album is very good. And if you have a good taste in music, then you should like it!

Hmmm, I'd strongly disagree there...I have the album and there isn't a single track that does anything on there for me. I found it to be a big disappointment.
I'm not saying that you liking the album means you have bad taste in music, I mean each to their own! But to say that you have no taste in music if you don't like it? "Well, that's just plain poppycock!" :lol:

Good to see there are a few of us that think it's CRAP

[Guy13]

the album is very good. And if you have a good taste in music, then you should like it!

Hmmm, I'd strongly disagree there...I have the album and there isn't a single track that does anything on there for me. I found it to be a big disappointment.
I'm not saying that you liking the album means you have bad taste in music, I mean each to their own! But to say that you have no taste in music if you don't like it? "Well, that's just plain poppycock!" :lol:

Good to see there are a few of us that think it's CRAP

I think it's outrageous as well but hey, that's capitalism...making money.

[Skylizard]

that is disgusting!

I think that its sick that they should be allowed to get away with doing that. Its because of these people that the concerts sell out so quickly, they all buy about 20 tickets at a time the minute they are released!

Its not fair on us really, because we end up having to pay over twice the face value of the tickets to see the bands, or miss out!

Grrrrrrr im angry!!!!

As long as there are suckers willing to pay high ticket prices, there will be people willing to sell them. My hat goes off to them, suckers born everyday

[SP]

Good to see there are a few of us that think it's CRAP

Why is it good?

Miserable kill-joy naysayer!!

[Skylizard]

Good to see there are a few of us that think it's CRAP

Why is it good?

Miserable kill-joy naysayer!!

Brilliant, mate, you should get 2 copies just in case you wear the first one out :lol:

[SP]

I'll use a burner for that!

[sekrets]

Good to see there are a few of us that think it's CRAP

It's a shame that some people are such miserable fuckwits!
okay, you dont like it, but let us enjoy it :D

[Skylizard]

Good to see there are a few of us that think it's CRAP

It's a shame that some people are such miserable fuckwits!
okay, you dont like it, but let us enjoy it :D

Good to know that I have such strong influence over people (on forums no less) that their music listening is actually affected by what I say.......

[demonbitch]

Okay people, time for some moderation. This album is fucking great, and when THE BITCH says so, you know it's the truth!!

[Guy13]

Okay people, time for some moderation. This album is fucking great, and when THE BITCH says so, you know it's the truth!!

Meh... :roll:

[Guy13]

Okay people, time for some moderation. This album is fucking great, and when THE BITCH says so, you know it's the truth!!

Meh... :roll:

*runs for cover*

[Skylizard]

Okay people, time for some moderation. This album is fucking great, and when THE BITCH says so, you know it's the truth!!

Bitch you got that well wrong, if the Lizard says it's CRAP, then it's CRAP , and don't argue either........ 8)

[sekrets]

Good to know that I have such strong influence over people (on forums no less) that their music listening is actually affected by what I say.......

Im not actually influenced by you. I just think its a bit twatish to rag on a band that you dont like, with the one purpose of trying to wind up people that do like it! We're having fun ^_^

so go play with your toys!

[Guy13]

Okay people, time for some moderation. This album is fucking great, and when THE BITCH says so, you know it's the truth!!

Bitch you got that well wrong, if the Lizard says it's CRAP, then it's CRAP , and don't argue either........ 8)

You know it's a fact, jack! :wink:

[SP]

Okay people, time for some moderation. This album is fucking great, and when THE BITCH says so, you know it's the truth!!

Bitch you got that well wrong, if the Lizard says it's CRAP, then it's CRAP , and don't argue either........ 8)

You know it's a fact, jack! :wink:

Guy, you haven't even heard it!!!

[Guy13]

Okay people, time for some moderation. This album is fucking great, and when THE BITCH says so, you know it's the truth!!

Bitch you got that well wrong, if the Lizard says it's CRAP, then it's CRAP , and don't argue either........ 8)

You know it's a fact, jack! :wink:

You haven't even heard it!!!

What can I say? I'm easily led... :lol:

[SP]

Okay people, time for some moderation. This album is fucking great, and when THE BITCH says so, you know it's the truth!!

Bitch you got that well wrong, if the Lizard says it's CRAP, then it's CRAP , and don't argue either........ 8)

You know it's a fact, jack! :wink:

You haven't even heard it!!!

What can I say? I'm easily led... :lol:

... and thus easily talk bollocks!!

[Guy13]

Indeedy.... :lol: :wink:

I've tried to make it reasonably easy to work out that I know diddly squat about the new album :wink:

[SP]

Indeedy.... :lol: :wink:

I've tried to make it reasonably easy to work out that I know diddly squat about the new album :wink:

Then you are indeed worthy of that spanking you keep asking for! :lol:

Where's DB?

[Skylizard]

Good to know that I have such strong influence over people (on forums no less) that their music listening is actually affected by what I say.......

Im not actually influenced by you. I just think its a bit twatish to rag on a band that you dont like, with the one purpose of trying to wind up people that do like it! We're having fun ^_^

so go play with your toys!

Your original statement goes pretty much with same sort of childish rants that we have on the forums. You make assumptions on the knowledge base of ......fuck knows actually i think you just suck shit up and post it.
Who ever said i don't like the band (assumption) I said I think the album is CRAP . Pity you are so narrow minded about others views, that as soon as someone has a view that's opposed to yours they are fuckwits and twatish. As you posted in another..." just turned 22" well guess what ...it shows

[demonbitch]

Indeedy.... :lol: :wink:

I've tried to make it reasonably easy to work out that I know diddly squat about the new album :wink:

Then you are indeed worthy of that spanking you keep asking for! :lol:

Where's DB?

He shall be spanked!!!

And as for you Mr Lizard, bend over!

[Skylizard]

Indeedy.... :lol: :wink:

I've tried to make it reasonably easy to work out that I know diddly squat about the new album :wink:

Then you are indeed worthy of that spanking you keep asking for! :lol:

Where's DB?

DB your mission should you choose to accept it, give Guy a dam good spanking 8)

[Skylizard]

Indeedy.... :lol: :wink:

I've tried to make it reasonably easy to work out that I know diddly squat about the new album :wink:

Then you are indeed worthy of that spanking you keep asking for! :lol:

Where's DB?

He shall be spanked!!!

And as for you Mr Lizard, bend over!

Is it going to hurt??? Please let it hurt DB........... GF going to have my ass for that

[demonbitch]

Is it going to hurt??? Please let it hurt DB........... GF going to have my ass for that

Your arse will bleed!

[sekrets]

Pity you are so narrow minded about others views, that as soon as someone has a view that's opposed to yours they are fuckwits and twatish

Actually, the fact that you have a different opinion isnt why i think you are a complete twat. As i said in a previous post, its a matter of opinion, so im open to other ppls point of view. the reason i stated was that you rag on the band or album whatever in intent to wind us up. well youve had your say, and we all now know your opinions, so leave it at that.

i started this thread in order to seek other ppl who were going to the concert, i wasnt asking what ppls opinions are of the album... i actually already did that thread a while ago when i first got the album.

[Guy13]

I heard a few tracks from the newie last round a mates and I'm sorry, but I stand by Lizard. Very dissappointing considering what they've done in the past, but hey, it's only my humble opinion.

[SP]

Ah well ... it grows ... for those with patience!!

[sekrets]

to be honest, i dont see how the style is that different from the fat of the land material (which everyone seems to like)

[SP]

He he ... just let the naysayers be "cool". The Prodigy are just too "mainsteam" for them now!!

[sekrets]

yeah.

my brother has a similar problem; as soon as something becomes popular, he stops liking it, because he thinks that it is a cool thing to suddenly change his mind about something. and im not just talking about music. he does it with everything, computer games, movies, and even FRIENDS!

[SP]

I don't know ... kids eh?

[sekrets]

they are so shallow

[sekrets]

but actually hes not exactly a kid, hes 20!

[SP]

Like I said ... a kid! he he!

[Skylizard]

Pity you are so narrow minded about others views, that as soon as someone has a view that's opposed to yours they are fuckwits and twatish

Actually, the fact that you have a different opinion isnt why i think you are a complete twat. As i said in a previous post, its a matter of opinion, so im open to other ppls point of view. the reason i stated was that you rag on the band or album whatever in intent to wind us up. well youve had your say, and we all now know your opinions, so leave it at that.

i started this thread in order to seek other ppl who were going to the concert, i wasnt asking what ppls opinions are of the album... i actually already did that thread a while ago when i first got the album.

I don't really give a fuck what you think, idiots like you are par for the course on forums like these, you not the first and won't be the last.

If i feel like posting absolute garbage on a thread i'll do so, and if posting that you dislike something is winding people up, well then you sure as hell do have a lot to learn. You remind me of this fucking idiot AJStyles that used to post here, he was an idiot and you aren't far behind.

[Guy13]

to be honest, i dont see how the style is that different from the fat of the land material (which everyone seems to like)

I'm a "...jilted generation" person myself. As SP said, they are far too mainstream now....*ahem* :wink: :lol: *tongue superglued firmly to cheek*

[alicethegoon]

WTF?! Are you lot STILL going on about this Prodigy Atrocity?! I wouldnt piss on that album if it was on fire.


Sekrets & SP, get a room! :P :twisted:

[sekrets]

Well Mr. Lizard, you can think of me what you want, but personally I think you're the one being immature here.
I can see youve taken a personal dislikling to me, but im not really bothered to be honest. The fact that youve probably been here for so many years longer than I have doesn't make you 'rank' higher than me in this forum. We are all people: we are all the same.

I guess youve just got cynical and grouchy in your old age :)

[SP]

I don't really give a fuck what you think, idiots like you are par for the course on forums like these, you not the first and won't be the last.

If i feel like posting absolute garbage on a thread i'll do so, and if posting that you dislike something is winding people up, well then you sure as hell do have a lot to learn. You remind me of this fucking idiot AJStyles that used to post here, he was an idiot and you aren't far behind.

WTF? ... HARSH!!

[SP]

WTF?! Are you lot STILL going on about this Prodigy Atrocity?! I wouldnt piss on that album if it was on fire.


Sekrets & SP, get a room! :P :twisted:

I'm sure you wouldn't!! ... STFU

[SP]

to be honest, i dont see how the style is that different from the fat of the land material (which everyone seems to like)

I'm a "...jilted generation" person myself. As SP said, they are far too mainstream now....*ahem* :wink: :lol: *tongue superglued firmly to cheek*

Yep ... Jilted is the best!!

[sekrets]

I actually know a lot of people that would argue that Experience is their better album. But its just a matter of taste i guess.
I love them all! :D

but im not particularly fond of Babys got a Temper

[SP]

Experience is good ... but too Hip Hop / Ravey.

Jilted is HARD!

[sekrets]

yeah
I personally prefer the HARD stuff too!

[Flux]

I actually know a lot of people that would argue that Experience is their better album.


Yes, me! I fuckin' love Experience :D

Don't get me wrong, Jilted is a fantastic album, but there's just something about songs like Wind It Up, Out Of Space, Music Reach, and Charlie that just do it for me.

[sekrets]

I think one of the things that struck me about experience, is that it seems that theyve used a single sample to cover the whole pitch spectrum, which gives it a kind of on-the-edge feel.
this method could have been classed as lazy and unprofessional, but I think that it is used to good effect, and gives it its own unique sound.

[SP]

Yep, the album is virtually all samples of other stuff ... brilliant ... but Jilted must "take the biscuit" for me!

Never Outgunned returns to the whole Experience feel with a bit more maturity. I'd rate the pair "on a par"!

[Flux]

Never Outgunned returns to the whole Experience feel with a bit more maturity. I'd rate the pair "on a par"!

I'd strongly disagree. While I rate Experience as my favourite Prodigy album, I rate Never Outgunned as my least favourite...I don't think that the two even compare. In fact, I don't think that Never Outgunned compares with any of their other albums...all four are quite different from each other.

[SP]

Never Outgunned returns to the whole Experience feel with a bit more maturity. I'd rate the pair "on a par"!

I'd strongly disagree. While I rate Experience as my favourite Prodigy album, I rate Never Outgunned as my least favourite...I don't think that the two even compare. In fact, I don't think that Never Outgunned compares with any of their other albums...all four are quite different from each other.

Maybe because you just haven't listened to it that much ... Outgunned is more refined for sure, but definitely returns to the roots of Experience. You virtually said so yourself by making the reference to ... it actually sounds like it's been made in something like Pro-Tracker or Octamed...Amiga tracker programs ... which Experience definitely does!

[Flux]

Again, I'd strongly disagree.

I've made music in Pro-Tracker & Octamed for over 6 years, and so from experience I think I can safely say that Experience didn't sound like it was made in said software ;) It was almost certainly made on some form of sequencers such as a 303 etc, but Never Outgunned sounds very tracker based...down to the triggering of the samples and the music structure. Knowing that Liam used Reason to make it only enforces this point.

We may as well just drop this discussion as it appears that everyone here is just too damn stubbon to accept that we don't all share the same opinion. It's just going round & round in circles & becoming somewhat tedious.

Some people like the album, some people think it's shit. What's the problem? It's not like anyones forcing anyone to listen to it, nor are they stopping anyone from listening to it...so lets just let this die a death before I send in Keith Flint to sing at y'all, ok? ;)

[SP]

I've made music in Pro-Tracker & Octamed for over 6 years, and so from experience I think I can safely say that Experience didn't sound like it was made in said software ;) It was almost certainly made on some form of sequencers such as a 303 etc... which I have been using for over 6 years, and it definitely ain't!!

but Never Outgunned sounds very tracker based...down to the triggering of the samples and the music structure. Knowing that Liam used Reason to make it only enforces this point. ... exactly, loop based, and remarkably similar to Experience.

We may as well just drop this discussion as it appears that everyone here is just too damn stubbon to accept that we don't all share the same opinion. It's just going round & round in circles & becoming somewhat tedious.

Some people like the album, some people think it's shit. What's the problem? ;) No problem for me! You're writing the essays.

[Flux]

*sigh*

This is my point.

[SP]

He he!!

[Flux]

Besides,

... exactly, loop based, and remarkably similar to Experience.


I think you'll find Jilted & Fat of the Land are loop based too...a lot of electronic music is ;) hehe

[Guy13]

*sigh*

This is my point.



Poor flux...I take it that this subject is taboo at the slodge sesh this evening... :lol:

[Flux]

Meh, it's grating on me is all...it's like "what came first, the chicken or the egg?" there will never be a conclusion to this debate.

Anyway, this is my last correspondance on the matter, it's all so futile...I'm off to listen to a good album ;) :lol:

[SP]

Besides,

... exactly, loop based and remarkably similar to Experience.


I think you'll find Jilted & Fat of the Land are loop based too...a lot of electronic music is ;) hehe

... observant!!


*sigh*

This is my point.



Poor flux...I take it that this subject is taboo at the slodge sesh this evening... :lol:

Not with me! ... you can be sure of it! :wink:

[sekrets]

Meh, it's grating on me is all...it's like "what came first, the chicken or the egg?" there will never be a conclusion to this debate.


Actually there is a logical conclusion. The Egg came first, because whatever the FIRST chicken evolved from, wouldnt have been a chicken, and therefore the chicken egg would have come before the first chicken!

[Guy13]

Meh, it's grating on me is all...it's like "what came first, the chicken or the egg?" there will never be a conclusion to this debate.


Actually there is a logical conclusion. The Egg came first, because whatever the FIRST chicken evolved from, wouldnt have been a chicken, and therefore the chicken egg would have come before the first chicken!

How can the chicken egg come before the chicken. It must, by force of logic, come from a chicken. Thus, the paradox.

[sekrets]

and on the subject of the prodigy, id like to say that a lot of music is based upon repeating certain loops, and this can be done on a sequencer or a mod tracker or whatever. samples can be used on whatever also, and to much the same effect, so it doesnt really matter what software was used to create any piece of music, because the music is about the artist expressing themselves through sound, not about what software/hardware it was made on.

Im sure if i could be bothered to, id be able to program some decent sounding music comparable to prodigy experience, on my ZX Spectrum!

[sekrets]

Meh, it's grating on me is all...it's like "what came first, the chicken or the egg?" there will never be a conclusion to this debate.


Actually there is a logical conclusion. The Egg came first, because whatever the FIRST chicken evolved from, wouldnt have been a chicken, and therefore the chicken egg would have come before the first chicken!

How can the chicken egg come before the chicken. It must, by force of logic, come from a chicken. Thus, the paradox.

its called a CHICKEN EGG because there is a chicken inside of it. If you believe in evolution, then the parents of what would be considered as the first CHICKEN would not have been a CHICKEN.

[Flux]

Meh, it's grating on me is all...it's like "what came first, the chicken or the egg?" there will never be a conclusion to this debate.


Actually there is a logical conclusion. The Egg came first, because whatever the FIRST chicken evolved from, wouldnt have been a chicken, and therefore the chicken egg would have come before the first chicken!

How can the chicken egg come before the chicken. It must, by force of logic, come from a chicken. Thus, the paradox.

its called a CHICKEN EGG because there is a chicken inside of it. If you believe in evolution, then the parents of what would be considered as the first CHICKEN would not have been a CHICKEN.

Precisely...so how do you know that they laid an EGG? ;) :P

[sekrets]

Precisely...so how do you know that they laid an EGG? ;) :P

Well the chicken would have obviously evolved from another bird.

Evolution takes time so it doesnt suddenly jump from a single-cell organism to a CHICKEN!

[Flux]

Ok then, but by your logic the egg would NOT be a chicken egg, merely an egg of said bird that laid it...meaning that this bird egg would hatch a mutated bird, in this case a chicken...

[sekrets]

but i count the type of egg as the kind of bird that is inside it... so if its a chicken inside it, then a chicken egg.. if its a fish inside it, then a fish egg, if its a door mat inside it, then a door mat egg, etc

and im sure the chicens will be very upset about u calling them mutated birds. chickens have feelings too you know :(

[Flux]

Lol, whilst I understand what you're saying, I think the scientific community might dispute that...If a fish hatched from a chicken egg, it wouldn't change the fact that it was a chicken egg...it'd just be damn freaky! ;)

As for the chickens' feelings, remember, we're hypothetically talking about the first chicken here, and as such this evolution would be a mutation from a given species, so calling it a mutation is an apt comment, in much the same way as mankind is a mutation from the primate species.

[sekrets]

fair enough
but to be honest, i dont think theres much chance of a chicken laying a fish egg!

Unless of course the chicken was having a secret affair with a fish...

hmmm

[sekrets]

mmmmm a nice wet slippery fish between the legs...

[Flux]

fair enough
but to be honest, i dont think theres much chance of a chicken laying a fish egg!

Unless of course the chicken was having a secret affair with a fish...

hmmm

Or perhaps those scientists are playing God again?... 8O

[Rivetmike]

Aaaaaanyway,to bring this thread kicking and screaming back on topic ;)

Re: From what I have heard I do not like it but I'm not gonna bore you with the whys and wherefores it's as simple as it's not really to my liking.One thing that is intersting though is it would appear that XL do not have particular faith in the album as they are offering retailers an amazing buy 2 get 1 free deal on this album.Now I know there will be people saying that either a) Isn't that nice,that just means that retailers will be able to sell the album for less making a better deal for the fans or b) Well they have to nowadays in this age of piracy to ensure a decent chart placement.

It would *seem* to me though that the label do not have the upmost confidence in the album though as deals like this are unprecidented.

Rivetmike

[SP]

Yeah, Liam did the record company no favour in waiting years to get round to doing the album.

Really young record buying public (who buy most of the chart stuff) are not even gonna know who the Prodigy are!

[sekrets]

hmmm well i dont know many people who havnt heard of "Firestarter"

but i guess the charts are always unpredictable

[Guy13]

mmmmm a nice wet slippery fish between the legs...

Ewww...not when I'm eating lunch, please! :lol:

Mike, it does seem that from what you say that XL seem to be trying to prevent "Outgunned..." from dying a death. This tactic is sure to make retailers wonder what's wrong as they don't want to be stuck with unsold units. However, if the tickets sales of the gigs are anything to go by, the fears are unfounded...

Just a theory....

[Flux]

However, if the tickets sales of the gigs are anything to go by, the fears are unfounded...

Just a theory....

One case note to add; most people who've bought tickets won't have heard the album yet, remember that.

[Rivetmike]

Guy: I think it's a matter of percetion really,XL could theoretically sell a lot less units but make more money but for a band as big as the Prodge anything less than a number 1 album (especially at a realtively quiet time of year) will be deemed as a failure.XL have obviously done their market research and found that it's not as anticipated as it once was.

Rivetmike

[SP]

One case note to add; most people who've bought tickets won't have heard the album yet, remember that.

... but they'll buy it anyway!

[Guy13]

One case note to add; most people who've bought tickets won't have heard the album yet, remember that.

... but they'll buy it anyway!

Mike, of course, you're right. And so is SP. But I wonder how many units will end up in secondhand stores or be returned.

[Rivetmike]

One case note to add; most people who've bought tickets won't have heard the album yet, remember that.

... but they'll buy it anyway!

Mike, of course, you're right. And so is SP. But I wonder how many units will end up in secondhand stores or be returned.

It does have the feel of that sort of album about it.Stores overordering to take advantage of the pre-order deal..I can see it now.

Rivetmike

[sekrets]

ive actually seen loads of prodigy stuff in charity shops. I guess ppl just get bored with it after a time... well i dont.
I got my copy of Experience for 90 pence at a charity shop:) muahaha!

[Skylizard]

One case note to add; most people who've bought tickets won't have heard the album yet, remember that.

... but they'll buy it anyway!

Mike, of course, you're right. And so is SP. But I wonder how many units will end up in secondhand stores or be returned.

It does have the feel of that sort of album about it.Stores overordering to take advantage of the pre-order deal..I can see it now.

Rivetmike

All seems to pretty much run with my earlier sentiments on the album, not sure why people argue , cheers for that Mike :twisted:

[sekrets]

groovy

[SP]

All seems to pretty much run with my earlier sentiments on the album

No it doesn't!!

not sure why people argue

Simple, we dissagree with you!! :P

[sekrets]

lol

[Skylizard]

All seems to pretty much run with my earlier sentiments on the album

No it doesn't!!

not sure why people argue

Simple, we dissagree with you!! :P

Firstly , yes it does, otherwise it would Mike wouldn't have posted his report on the views of Record companies.

2nd, Disagreeing with me puts you in the minority now..... :lol:

[sekrets]

disagreeing with you seems to be a logical way of life :)

[Guy13]

Now, now! Claws back or you'll be sent to bed with no pudding! :lol: :wink:

[sekrets]

lol

I apologize

^_^

[lemontwist]

*gasp* 8O No Pudding!!

Thats a bit harsh!

Hang on a bit... What kind of pudding?

[Guy13]

*gasp* 8O No Pudding!!

Thats a bit harsh!

Hang on a bit... What kind of pudding?

There is a choice of 2, apple pie and Ambrosia devon custard or Cookies & Dough ice-cream.

[sekrets]

mmmm il take the Ambrosia devon custard on its own please!

[Guy13]

mmmm il take the Ambrosia devon custard on its own please!

Only if you all behave. :lol:

[sekrets]

okay, we'll behave

and agree to disagree...
- offers to shake mr LIZARD's hand

[lemontwist]

Hmm tough choice...

Cookies and Dough Ice-cream :D

[sekrets]

Just go for the custard its delicious!

[SP]

Firstly , yes it does, otherwise it would Mike wouldn't have posted his report on the views of Record companies.

WRONG ... What Mike said was NOT a reflection of the quality of the music or the songs or of the record companies opinion of the music. It is merely a method of marketing a band that hasn't made an album for a few years! ... FACT!!

2nd, Disagreeing with me puts you in the minority now..... :lol:

What has majority or minority got to do with it? ... and how did you concoct this farcical information?!

[Rivetmike]

Firstly , yes it does, otherwise it would Mike wouldn't have posted his report on the views of Record companies.

WRONG ... What Mike said was NOT a reflection of the quality of the music or the songs or of the record companies opinion of the music.

True

It is merely a method of marketing a band that hasn't made an album for a few years! ... FACT!!

Not entirely true,if the company was confident of across the board great reviews and sales then there is no way they would be this generous.For example an album that has a solid fanbase (like say a Bruce Springsteen one) would never be sold to stores so cheaply no matter how long the gap between albums.

Rivetmike

[sekrets]

marketing strategies are strange things, and
where are we getting this information from anyway?

Personally i dont care if the album is sucessful or not. Im gonna buy it and enjoy it :)

[Rivetmike]

marketing strategies are strange things, and
where are we getting this information from anyway?

Me,it's upto you whether you take it or leave it.

[/quote]Personally i dont care if the album is sucessful or not. Im gonna buy it and enjoy it :)[/quote]

That's cool,I'm just responding to yours and others posts who were debating the quality of the album.I just thought the lack of label confidence was worth mentioning in this debate.

Rivetmike

[SP]

Firstly , yes it does, otherwise it would Mike wouldn't have posted his report on the views of Record companies.

WRONG ... What Mike said was NOT a reflection of the quality of the music or the songs or of the record companies opinion of the music.

True

It is merely a method of marketing a band that hasn't made an album for a few years! ... FACT!!

Not entirely true,if the company was confident of across the board great reviews and sales then there is no way they would be this generous.For example an album that has a solid fanbase (like say a Bruce Springsteen one) would never be sold to stores so cheaply no matter how long the gap between albums.

Rivetmike

Fat of the Land was obviously an album that XL were confident with. The only reason that they have for any lack of confidence in this one is because of the enormous amount of time that it has taken Liam to get round to making it. If this album had come out within a year or so of the last one, then they would never be so generous, as you put it!!

So, I stand by what I said 100%!!

[Rivetmike]

Fat of the Land was obviously an album that XL were confident with.

I agree entirely,when that album came out the lack of any decent retail deals available to retailers was shocking,there were none because they knew that we *had* to have it whatever the price.

The only reason that they have for any lack of confidence in this one is because of the enormous amount of time that it has taken Liam to get round to making it. If this album had come out within a year or so of the last one, then they would never be so generous, as you put it!!

So, I stand by what I said 100%!!

Could be,could not be.I don't know and I don't think you do either as that's all conjecture and personal opinion.Neither of us will ever know if that is true or not.

Rivetmike

[sekrets]

I agree with SP there. Fat of the land was a very successful album and it propelled The Prodigy to near legendary status in its time.
If the new album was released not so long after that, it would have been more eagerly anticipated.

[Flux]

Here's an interesting factor;
When the reviews of the album start appearing one side of this debate is going to be enforced tenfold.

Whether it's the "album is great" or the "album is shite" side remains to be seen at the moment...

[SP]

The only reason that they have for any lack of confidence in this one is because of the enormous amount of time that it has taken Liam to get round to making it. If this album had come out within a year or so of the last one, then they would never be so generous, as you put it!!

So, I stand by what I said 100%!!

Could be,could not be.I don't know and I don't think you do either as that's all conjecture and personal opinion.Neither of us will ever know if that is true or not.

Rivetmike

You call it conjecture, I call it common sense. Unfortunately, The Prodigy were fucking enormous a few years ago. Had this album been released at that time there would have been a distinct lack of any decent retail deals available because they would have known that we *had* to have it whatever the price. You know it is so ... and so do I!!

[Skylizard]

........distinct lack of any decent retail deals available because they would have known that we *had* to have it whatever the price. You know it is so ... and so do I


Suckers born every minute

[Rivetmike]

The only reason that they have for any lack of confidence in this one is because of the enormous amount of time that it has taken Liam to get round to making it. If this album had come out within a year or so of the last one, then they would never be so generous, as you put it!!

So, I stand by what I said 100%!!

Could be,could not be.I don't know and I don't think you do either as that's all conjecture and personal opinion.Neither of us will ever know if that is true or not.

Rivetmike

You call it conjecture, I call it common sense. Unfortunately, The Prodigy were fucking enormous a few years ago. Had this album been released at that time there would have been a distinct lack of any decent retail deals available because they would have known that we *had* to have it whatever the price. You know it is so ... and so do I!!

I not disagreeing with you there.I agree with that.What I am saying is XL *could* be encouraging stores to over order on an album that they feel is mediocre,or are offering extra discount to persuade stores to take an album that they are now indifferent too.Why should the timescale apply to discount for Prodigy but not another established fanbase act?

Admittedly their are certain acts that tried to comeback that didn't happen (like Stereo MCs) that were not pushed by "generous" label marketing.So maybe it'll turn out to be a good move.But Polydor did not need any flashy discounts or marketing campaigns for the new Cure album which has sold really well already (esp. im America) this *could* be because they were confident in the albums quality.

Rivetmike

[sekrets]

Suckers born every minute

Can we please refrain from these petty unproductive comments please :)

[Flux]

You call it conjecture, I call it common sense. Unfortunately, The Prodigy were fucking enormous a few years ago. Had this album been released at that time there would have been a distinct lack of any decent retail deals available because they would have known that we *had* to have it whatever the price. You know it is so ... and so do I!!


I hear what you're saying SP but on the same note, have things really changed that much?
You still "had" to have the album, I still "had" to have the album, and so have quite a few other fans I've spoken to (albiet not quite gained in the official manner ;))...The fact that the album has taken a long time to get here hasn't dampened our appetite for it, I pre-ordered my copy of it as soon as I saw it available to do so, it's just that after listening to it, I really didn't want it hence me cancelling my pre-order.

I don't think the amount of time between albums is a real factor in this...as a Tool fan I have to wait 3 years for their second album, then five years for their third album...this did nothing to diminish the fan base, and if anything just made the fans even more hungry for the next release. This fact has even been reflected 100% in the sales of the tickets for the Prodigy gig too...but remember, as I said before, the new album isn't available to most yet so it is still on the horizon.

Re: the Tool albums, the fact was we don't mind waiting for years for new material when the material is AAA+! Simple as that really...But after waiting 7 years for Never Outgunned I can't help but feel more than a little disappointed.

[sekrets]

remember tho, about 90% of those prodigy gig ticket sales were probably touts!!

[Rivetmike]

it amounts to a 33% discount.Normal discount on a chart album like this would be in the region of 10%.I'd be 100% of the same opinion as you SP if the deal was just a little higher than average but this is three times the norm which *is* unheard of and that is the only thing that makes me dubious as labels do not give more away than they have to.

Rivetmike

[sekrets]

also its worth mentioning that Liam hadnt been working on the album for those 7 years! wheras Tool, I know they work hard at their music.
The new prodigy album was written probably in the space of no more than a year. Liam had been suffering survere writers block. The change from hardware to programming Reason inspired him again.

So the prodigy album isnt the result of 7 years of hard work.
And although i do like it, I think that it doesnt outweigh their other albums.
I also think that this may be a reason why a few people are dissapointed with it, because anticipating it for so long, it doesnt fulfill the SUPER album that everyone was hoping for

[Rivetmike]

remember tho, about 90% of those prodigy gig ticket sales were probably touts!!

Yes some of them would be.I think 90% is a slight exaggeration though ;)

Rivetmike

[Rivetmike]

this...as a Tool fan I have to wait 3 years for their second album, then five years for their third album...this did nothing to diminish the fan base, and if anything just made the fans even more hungry for the next release.

Also see Kraftwerk as a great example of the above.

Except the wait between albums was something like 15 years?

Rivetmike

[sekrets]

well it seems strange that 5 minutes past 9:00 on saturday (the time they went on sale) tickets were already starting to appear on ebay!

and now there are hundreds of listings for them!

[SP]

Tool don't come into it ... they are tiny by comparison!

What made the prodigy enormous was the fan base of teenagers that bought their albums. Lets face it ... that's where XL are aiming because it's big big money.

Well, after 7 years, they aren't teenagers anymore ... surprise surprise ... bye bye fan base!! ... hence the lack of confidence in the album & the result? ... deals to retail outlets. Need I say more?!

[Flux]

Tool don't come into it ... they are tiny by comparison!


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol:

You're funny.

I think you seriously underestimate just how big Tool are sir!

Next you'll be telling me Orbital have nothing to do with electronic music :roll:

[Rivetmike]

Tool don't come into it ... they are tiny by comparison!

What made the prodigy enormous was the fan base of teenagers that bought their albums. Lets face it ... that's where XL are aiming because it's big big money.

Well, after 7 years, they aren't teenagers anymore ... surprise surprise ... bye bye fan base!! ... hence the lack of confidence in the album & the result? ... deals to retail outlets. Need I say more?!

You don't and you are spot on with your reasoning as Prodigys target demographic is just not there anymore so they are looking for new fans at a cheap prce.But the inordinately cheap price is an absolute first and one I'm not sure only reflects the diminshed fanbase.

You seem pretty sure SP.

Rivetmike

[sekrets]

Tool are actually quite big in the alternative scene...

but when compared to the prodigy...

Well the prodigy are big in the pop scene AND alternative scene..

[SP]

Tool don't come into it ... they are tiny by comparison!


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol:

You're funny.

I think you seriously underestimate just how big Tool are sir!

Next you'll be telling me Orbital have nothing to do with electronic music :roll:

That obviously went right over your head!! Tool have NEVER been in a position to have a number 1 album. Prodigy have. XL want to try to put them back there ... hence the marketing ... they want to sell Outgunned to "teeny-boppers"!

Personally, I would rather have The Prodigy as a small underground band, but XL have other intentions I have no doubt.

[Flux]

Tool don't come into it ... they are tiny by comparison!


:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol::lol: :lol::lol:

You're funny.

I think you seriously underestimate just how big Tool are sir!

Next you'll be telling me Orbital have nothing to do with electronic music :roll:

That obviously went right over your head!! Tool have NEVER been in a position to have a number 1 album. Prodigy have. XL want to try to put them back there ... hence the marketing ... they want to sell Outgunned to "teeny-boppers"!

Personally, I would rather have The Prodigy as a small underground band, but XL have other intentions I have no doubt.

Well then, yes it did...If I'd known you were talking about "chart success" then I wouldn't have posted that! Simple as...next time please be more specific :P :lol:

[SP]

Well then, yes it did...If I'd known you were talking about "chart success" then I wouldn't have posted that! Simple as...next time please be more specific :P :lol:

Well, we were talking about this from XL's point of view ... and what they are trying to achieve with Outgunned.

It's a shame that The Prodigy got so damned big ... cos when they did, Mak stopped playing their stuff. Still, we sometimes get a blast of "Their Law" ... and that tune rocks!!!!!!

[Skylizard]

... cos when they did, Mak stopped playing their stuff.


Thank god :wink:

[Jesus]

Oi, don't blame Dad again. He's got fuck all to do with this nonsense!

[sekrets]

ive heard plenty of prodigy being played at slimes actually.


:)