quick question

[frantic_euphoria]

its not always three floors at slime is it? when its 2 floors, which ones? ebm industrial or trad?

thankyou!!!!

[Crash_Dark]

No, it's not always three floors - when it's a two-floor, it's the ground floor which isn't used. The middle floor is the 'goth' floor and the top level is the 'industrial' one...

[Alexander]

Technically it's a 2 floor Slimelight when the ground floor is used. It's just that it's rented out for a night other than Slimelight. When nobody wants to rent it out, that's when we get a 3-floor special!

Electrowerkz's loss is our gain, or something. :wink:

[SP]

True!

.... but when it's a two floor night, you generally find EBM being played on both floors, but probably slightly more on the Goth floor.

[Flux]

Which is a shame because EBM sucks donkey cock :(

[SP]

Pay no heed to the whingeing naysayer!!

[Flux]

:P

[Guy13]

Some EBM is tolerable...

[Flux]

hmm...maybe, but

mostly it's "Ibiza Goth"...hence all the Glo-Sticks in Slime.

"wave your hands in the air!"

*shudder*

[Rivetmike]

Depends on what you class as EBM really as a lot of what is played on the middle floor is more electro/trance masquerading under the banner of EBM to appeal to goths.

Oooo controversial ;)

Rivetmike

[Guy13]

hmm...maybe, but

mostly it's "Ibiza Goth"...hence all the Glo-Sticks in Slime.

"wave your hands in the air!"

*shudder*

Haha...I detect a grudging agreement, although I do accept that that the vast majority is crap. As you said "Ibiza Goth".

[Rivetmike]

hmm...maybe, but

mostly it's "Ibiza Goth"...hence all the Glo-Sticks in Slime.

"wave your hands in the air!"

*shudder*

Curse your likemind getting to the post before me :(

Rivetmike

[Guy13]

hmm...maybe, but

mostly it's "Ibiza Goth"...hence all the Glo-Sticks in Slime.

"wave your hands in the air!"

*shudder*

Haha...I detect a grudging agreement, although I do agree you that the vast majority is crap. As you said "Ibiza Goth". :roll:

[SP]

Ha ... open minded, my arse!

[Flux]

I'm open minded t'ward music, I just don't like EBM! :lol:

I used to find it ok when it was classed as Darkwave (i.e. dark & electronic), but since becoming EBM (Ibiza Goth) it lost any appeal it may have once had.

[Blink]

I liked EBM until someone called Ibiza Goth

"goth" *shudders*

[Crash_Dark]

hmm...maybe, but

mostly it's "Ibiza Goth"...hence all the Glo-Sticks in Slime.

"wave your hands in the air!"

*shudder*

'Ibiza Goth' - (shudders at the very concept)

As for glow sticks.....don't get me started. Bad. Bad things.

[Blink]

This thread was started by Frantic_Euphoria

Isn't that a dance album? Frantic is a dance label, and I am sure you all know the Euphoria series of albums.

[Rivetmike]

I'm open minded t'ward music, I just don't like EBM! :lol:

I used to find it ok when it was classed as Darkwave (i.e. dark & electronic), but since becoming EBM (Ibiza Goth) it lost any appeal it may have once had.

Hmmmm not wishing to be a pedant ;),but EBM was a precursor to darkwave starting in the early 80s with bands like Nitzer Ebb and Front 242.Darkwave was the result of EBM getting diluted with gothic atmospheres.

There are very few bands now that stick to EBM (examples are Fixmer/Mccarthy/Spetsnaz/Dupont to name a few).

Flux:What is played on the middle floor at Slime has little in common with real EBM (save for a few examples early And One/Suicide Commando and Hocico are about the closest).

I'd say the middle floors playlist was heavier on the electro/trance/goth/futurepop side of things that EBM.

Rivetmike

[SP]

I liked EBM until someone called Ibiza Goth

"goth" *shudders*

So Blink, your saying it has nothing to do with the music ... you don't like it because of a name?!

since becoming EBM (Ibiza Goth) it lost any appeal it may have once had.

I'm sure Manumission (Ibiza) plays VNV & Apop all the time ... not!! :P

[Rivetmike]

This thread was started by Frantic_Euphoria

Isn't that a dance album? Frantic is a dance label, and I am sure you all know the Euphoria series of albums.

Frantic Euphoria is the Hard House end of the Euphoria compilations.

Rivetmike

[Rivetmike]

I liked EBM until someone called Ibiza Goth

"goth" *shudders*

So Blink, your saying it has nothing to do with the music ... you don't like it because of a name?!

EBM has nothing to do with Ibiza Goth.Ibiza Goth is Apop/VNV and that is not EBM (although many are under this impression).

Rivetmike

[Guy13]

This thread was started by Frantic_Euphoria

Isn't that a dance album? Frantic is a dance label, and I am sure you all know the Euphoria series of albums.

Frantic Euphoria is the Hard House end of the Euphoria compilations.

Rivetmike

8O What next, Mike, glowsticks? :wink:

[Rivetmike]

This thread was started by Frantic_Euphoria

Isn't that a dance album? Frantic is a dance label, and I am sure you all know the Euphoria series of albums.

Frantic Euphoria is the Hard House end of the Euphoria compilations.

Rivetmike

8O What next, Mike, glowsticks? :wink:

That's me with my work head on rather than my personal preference ;).

Rivetmike

[SP]

EBM has nothing to do with Ibiza Goth.Ibiza Goth is Apop/VNV and that is not EBM (although many are under this impression).

Rivetmike

I would refer sir to my earlier statement:

I'm sure Manumission (Ibiza) plays VNV & Apop all the time ... not!! :P

[Flux]

EBM was a precursor to darkwave starting in the early 80s with bands like Nitzer Ebb and Front 242.Darkwave was the result of EBM getting diluted with gothic atmospheres.


Well there you go then, so I DO like EBM in the sense that I like Niter Ebb, Front 242 etc...

*yearns for "the gold ol' days"* ;) lol


A question for you Mike;
If VNV, Apop etc aren't EBM, what would you say they were? (other than annoying :lol:)

Ahh, just noticed you've put them in the "Ibiza Goth" category...nevermind :)

[Rivetmike]

EBM was a precursor to darkwave starting in the early 80s with bands like Nitzer Ebb and Front 242.Darkwave was the result of EBM getting diluted with gothic atmospheres.


Well there you go then, so I DO like EBM in the sense that I like Niter Ebb, Front 242 etc...

*yearns for "the gold ol' days"* ;) lol


A question for you Mike;
If VNV, Apop etc aren't EBM, what would you say they were? (other than annoying :lol:)

Ahh, just noticed you've put them in the "Ibiza Goth" category...nevermind :)

The terminology that seems to be used in the USA and some of mainland Europe for them is Futurepop but I personally hate that term so rarely use it.

Rivetmike

[Rivetmike]

EBM has nothing to do with Ibiza Goth.Ibiza Goth is Apop/VNV and that is not EBM (although many are under this impression).

Rivetmike

I would refer sir to my earlier statement:

I'm sure Manumission (Ibiza) plays VNV & Apop all the time ... not!! :P

I don't think that the term Ibiza Goth was meant to be taken literally (as in that clubs in San Antonio actually play it) more a comment on the asmosphere and style of the music.

Rivetmike

[Skylizard]

I'm open minded t'ward music, I just don't like EBM! :lol:

I used to find it ok when it was classed as Darkwave (i.e. dark & electronic), but since becoming EBM (Ibiza Goth) it lost any appeal it may have once had.

Hmmmm not wishing to be a pedant ;),but EBM was a precursor to darkwave starting in the early 80s with bands like Nitzer Ebb and Front 242.Darkwave was the result of EBM getting diluted with gothic atmospheres.

There are very few bands now that stick to EBM (examples are Fixmer/Mccarthy/Spetsnaz/Dupont to name a few).

Flux:What is played on the middle floor at Slime has little in common with real EBM (save for a few examples early And One/Suicide Commando and Hocico are about the closest).

I'd say the middle floors playlist was heavier on the electro/trance/goth/futurepop side of things that EBM.

Rivetmike

Mike don't forget the annoying Synthpop tunes as well.

[Blink]

So Blink, your saying it has nothing to do with the music ... you don't like it because of a name?!

Rose by any other name.....etc

I'm sure Manumission (Ibiza) plays VNV & Apop all the time ... not!! :P

Well, I have heard Sheep On Drugs and Praga Khan at a Hard House night, and have heard Front242 - Headhunter on a Hard House compilation, and of course Lab 4 sampled Ministry.

Having said that, I am not sure exactly what they play at Manumission.

[Rivetmike]

Praga Khan at a Hard House night

But Praga Khan have more in common with hard house (or at the very least the rave scene) surely? Injected With A Poison anyone?

Praga Khans other bands Lords Of Acid are a different kettle of fish I'm sure.

Rivetmike

[Blink]

But Praga Khan have more in common with hard house (or at the very least the rave scene) surely? Injected With A Poison anyone?


I agree, but I have heard Luv U Still played on the goth/ebm/darkwave/Ibiza Goth floor...it was hearing that persuaded me to get his Mixed-Up album, more so than Injected With A Poison.

[Rivetmike]

Fair enough,I can't comment as have not heard that track played.

Rivetmike

[Blink]

Fair enough,I can't comment as have not heard that track played.


Although to be fair, by the time you add in tracks that are played on the top floor....

Three that stick out for me

Beni whatever his name is - Satisfaction
Dirt Devils - The Drill
Accadia - Into The Dawn

None of these are anything other than "commercial" dance

[Blink]

****Please note, I am not complaining about Slimelight's music policy****

I am just joining in the spirit of Ibiza Goth

[Rivetmike]

I didn't say that they were not.

I'm not sure what your point is Blink.

Rivetmike

[littlebunnyfoofoo]

so...okay im confused...

what would any of you class as ebm and what as darkwave?

i agree that some of the 'ebm' (at least i think it is, im not so sure now)
has little to distinguish itself from stuff you find on hardhouse trance albums, but surely its a thin and debatable line...surely you cant class music as either one or the other, its always going to be subjective surely?

...on a final note - i love hocico and suicide commando, are these darkwave or ebm? and if they are ebm, does that make me an so called 'ibiza goth' Do people think that ebm is not really 'goth' at all, but a pikey version of darkwave...oh dear..

...im going to have a lie down now, the room is spinning.... :wink:

[Crash_Dark]

Does it really matter what people call it, if you like it?

Like what you like, don't worry about the labels...though I find the 'Ibiza Goth' thing disconcerting LOL

[Guy13]

VERY disconcerting! 8O :lol:

[Rivetmike]

what would any of you class as ebm and what as darkwave?

Personally I'd term bands like Nitzer Ebb and F242 EBM,I'd always considered Darkwave to be a kind of "electro-goth" if you will (Blutengel etc.)


i agree that some of the 'ebm' (at least i think it is, im not so sure now)
has little to distinguish itself from stuff you find on hardhouse trance albums, but surely its a thin and debatable line...surely you cant class music as either one or the other, its always going to be subjective surely?

I'm pretty sure that traditional EBM tracks would only make it onto a hardhouse comp in a remixed (more often than not) speeded up version.


...on a final note - i love hocico and suicide commando, are these darkwave or ebm? and if they are ebm, does that make me an so called 'ibiza goth' Do people think that ebm is not really 'goth' at all, but a pikey version of darkwave...oh dear..

I'd say that those bands have more in common with EBM so I don't think that makes you an Ibiza Goth ;) (I'd say that makes you closer to a rivethead than an Ibiza Goth ;)).But like you say it's all subjective.

[Rivetmike]

Does it really matter what people call it, if you like it?


Not at all.I could not care less but if people insist on labelling things then at least do it right ;)

Rivetmike

[SP]

Okay, so Futurepop it is then!

We bow to Mike's superior knowledge on this subject!!

However, if you talk to most of Slimelight's staff & punters, they're gonna say something along the lines of: "What the fuck are you talking about?" They all know this shit as EBM. They even call the third floor an EBM floor! Yes, it is "uplifting Goth" if that indeed is not too much of an oxymoron in itself!! lol ... and indeed it could be related to the Ibiza thing.

Anyhows ... my point is this ... I think to dismiss what we know as EBM (actually Futurepop) as all crap, is a narrow minded way of viewing a genre of music that we all listen to every week at Slime. There are crap tunes at Slime for sure, but to label a whole genre?

I don't worship EBM (Futurepop), but it is quite entertaining in not too large doses. I even play some Apop when I play in other clubs. Most of the "mainstream" (eurgh, don't like that term!) DJs just miss it and it goes down a storm!!

Anyways ... nuff sed!

[littlebunnyfoofoo]

oh, i wasnt worried

i was just trying to ascertain what point everyone was making!

I agree, it doesnt matter what genre it is at all - and yeah, 'ibiza goth' is an interesting one, could the inventor of this term be predicting a new trend towards tiny tops and goggles - oh i mean sunshades? (hang on...sounds familiar!)

shit! i'd better get out the factor 30 (could thi mean the uv lighting is actually giving me a tan?)

noooo....not the sand! chafing...my...ass.................

[Rivetmike]

Anyhows ... my point is this ... I think to dismiss what we know as EBM (actually Futurepop) as all crap, is a narrow minded way of viewing a genre of music that we all listen to every week at Slime. There are crap tunes at Slime for sure, but to label a whole genre?

I agree with you.I have not labelled it as crap and will not do so.Just because most of it is not to my taste does not mean there isn't a place for it (hell,I'll admit to liking a few Icon Of Coil tunes and they sure as hell fall into that category).

Rivetmike

[Rivetmike]

i was just trying to ascertain what point everyone was making!

We don't have one,we just argue to pass the time at work ;)

Rivetmike

[Crash_Dark]

i was just trying to ascertain what point everyone was making!

We don't have one,we just argue to pass the time at work ;)

Rivetmike

Ah, but is it the five minute argument, or the full half-hour? (oops, sorry, wrong thread :oops: )

[Blink]

i was just trying to ascertain what point everyone was making!

We don't have one,we just argue to pass the time at work ;)

Rivetmike

I'm not sure what your point is Blink.

My point was more that the middle floor is no more Ibiza Goth than the top floor.

I've even lost track of what this thread started about!!!

[littlebunnyfoofoo]

yeh...i have to agree there, thers's not often much difference between the two floors sometimes...

why dont we talk about something else? i have several more hours at work and am losing the will to live :roll:

I know - it was in The Metro today that Tigger has been arrested for groping a girl. I dont know, what is the world coming to?

..and, also, anyone else a fan of the 'nemi' cartoons in that paper as well?

[Rivetmike]

i was just trying to ascertain what point everyone was making!

We don't have one,we just argue to pass the time at work ;)

Rivetmike

I'm not sure what your point is Blink.

My point was more that the middle floor is no more Ibiza Goth than the top floor.


The three examples you quoted are not Ibiza Goth though,they are just Ibiza ;).No-one said that the upstairs floor played 100% industrial and no one was complaining (today ;)) about the upstairs DJs playing music from a wide range of dance spectrums.

Rivetmike

[Rivetmike]

..and, also, anyone else a fan of the 'nemi' cartoons in that paper as well?

I am,although it seems a strange choice for a cartoon as a lot of the episodes have gotta be lost on a lot of Metro readers.

Rivetmike

[Skylizard]

i was just trying to ascertain what point everyone was making!

We don't have one,we just argue to pass the time at work ;)

Rivetmike

I'm not sure what your point is Blink.

My point was more that the middle floor is no more Ibiza Goth than the top floor.

I've even lost track of what this thread started about!!!

Sounds like the gummy goths are at it again...

[Blink]

Nemi is great

And rather reminiscent of my other half!!!

[fad]

What? Fictional?:)

[Blink]

What? Fictional?:)

Spot on

[Guy13]

What? Fictional?:)

Spot on

:lol: Yeah...I know what you mean. I been single for 4 months now.

[Blink]

:lol: Yeah...I know what you mean. I been single for 4 months now.

Well, actually, I may be spotted out canoodling with the real Mrs Blink on Sat....And no, we will not be attempting any acts of intimacy on the dance floor/tables/toilets/bar/anywhere else within Slimelight.

[fad]

Boooooring:)

[frantic_euphoria]

wow did i start a long conversation? lol, sorry to go back to the subject but yes my name is from an album n i liked the name. im not so into hardhouse but i like al kinds of stuff so maybe im one of those anoying hybrid types who wears all the wrong clothes but meh. im interested by the notion of 'ibiza goth'. bizzarre. but hey.

who really cares what KIND of music it is you listen to when you like it and after all its only music so why sit here and ponder over genres all day! i went to slime on the 7th and i was pretty confussed by the second and third floors? i couldnt even tell which was which! one was kinda ebm and industrial and the other was just thud thud music which was boring....... oh well. i never knew goths and cybers hated eachother........

[Guy13]

....... oh well. i never knew goths and cybers hated eachother........

I am neither cyber or goth! I be rivethead! :twisted:

[littlebunnyfoofoo]

i never knew goths and cybers hated eachother........

wow...this poses a real problem for me, as i switch between both in music and what i wear on a daily basis... thank god i dont listen to The Voices or I'd be arguing with myself constantly!

woof! <drools frothily> 8O

[Flux]

I don't hate goths, cybers, or anyone else for that matter...well, except Jesus. That bastard stole my shoes :(

[littlebunnyfoofoo]

YOU WEAR SANDALS?

<hehe> :lol:

...sorry, that should be 'wore'...i didnt mean to laugh at your misfortune, that Jesus eh?

[Guy13]

I don't hate goths, cybers, or anyone else for that matter...well, except Jesus. That bastard stole my shoes :(

*nearly pisses himself with laughter* Ah, poor flux.

[Flux]

YOU WEAR SANDALS?

<hehe> :lol:

...sorry, that should be 'wore'...i didnt mean to laugh at your misfortune, that Jesus eh?

Nope, I don't wear sandles! I had a pair of Osiris trainers, black & grey laces, they looked the shiznit, then that fucking street magician hippy stole 'em from me. I'm not impressed!

[littlebunnyfoofoo]

YOU WEAR SANDALS?

<hehe> :lol:

...sorry, that should be 'wore'...i didnt mean to laugh at your misfortune, that Jesus eh?

Nope, I don't wear sandles! I had a pair of Osiris trainers, black & grey laces, they looked the shiznit, then that fucking street magician hippy stole 'em from me. I'm not impressed!

'street magician hippy'...who thinks he's the daddy....hmmm

Are you sure it wasn't David Blaine?

I mean, Jesus doesn't seem the type to steal - his dad's omnipitent, surely he could magic his sone up some bitchin' trainers? Parents eh? :roll:

[Flux]

Nah, his Dad's actually pretty fictional you know...he was a bastard child. Not very friendly. The media just portray him in a good light what with the whole "son of God" thing.
He comes from family of alcoholics and was beaten by his mother when he was young. Dude smells a bit like pee too...not overly pleasant. You might see him walking the streets of London asking people for money for tea/sandwiches/hash.

[Jesus]

YOU WEAR SANDALS?

<hehe> :lol:

...sorry, that should be 'wore'...i didnt mean to laugh at your misfortune, that Jesus eh?

Nope, I don't wear sandles! I had a pair of Osiris trainers, black & grey laces, they looked the shiznit, then that fucking street magician hippy stole 'em from me. I'm not impressed!

'street magician hippy'...who thinks he's the daddy....hmmm

Are you sure it wasn't David Blaine?

I mean, Jesus doesn't seem the type to steal - his dad's omnipitent, surely he could magic his sone up some bitchin' trainers? Parents eh? :roll:

It was me! My dad keeps making me wear crappy sandals. Man, they suck. So, I thought I'd better get me some nicely broken-in cool street shoes.

[eroticnightmare]

and complicated! i am but simple, yet open, minded, tho i kinda know what ebm is from going to clubs like slimelight, synthetic culture and to torture garden, what do you class as ebm, and what does it stand for? not really all that knowlageable being a metal fan broadening his horizons!

[eroticnightmare]

Depends on what you class as EBM really as a lot of what is played on the middle floor is more electro/trance masquerading under the banner of EBM to appeal to goths.

Oooo controversial ;)

Rivetmike

yeah i meant to quote this message when i wrote that, new and complicated site!

[Rivetmike]

Real EBM is bands like Nitzer Ebb, Front 242, Portion Control, Bigod 20, Orange Sector. It was more popular in the early eighties and was dreamt up in Belgium. Nowadays there are bands who keep the spirit of EBM alive but with 21st century production (bands like Spetsnaz, Militant Cheerleaders On The move, CAP). It's no longer a popular sound in general but a few bands and labels are keeping it alive.

It's very strict in tempo and beat, almost sounds like electronic military music (for want of a better description). Vocals are often simple and come across more as political sloganerring than tales of lost love or the sands of time shifting (bleurgh ;)).

Unfortuantely most of what you will hear Slimelight regulars term EBM is either dark electro (Suicide Commado, Hocico etc.) or future pop (VNV, Assemblage 23 etc.).

And there I was trying NOT to sound like a genre Nazi..... ;)

Rivetmike

[SP]

.... and what does it stand for?
Electronic Body Music