Watch - This - Now

[Morbid_Doll]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZRvdE1IlxY

ENOUGH SAID

[Byakhiam]

Bleh. Another "smack-crack-kick" action flick.

[toxygenie]

needs more stuff blowing up :)

"Onk-Bak" & "Transporter2"... never heard of them.

[Alexander]

Not to mention that the plot seems to be a direct rip of 'Escape From LA'. It looks like just about any Jet Li film really.

[drunkmonkey]

Not to mention that the plot seems to be a direct rip of 'Escape From LA'.

More like Escape From New York. Escape from LA was just a really lame sequel which was a shame as it could have been so much better. Still at least the Soundtrack to Escape from LA was pretty good

[Byakhiam]

Not to mention that the plot seems to be a direct rip of 'Escape From LA'. It looks like just about any Jet Li film really.

But it has to be a dozen times better for the American Consumer, because they can make jokes about how French are stupid and blow up French stuff, instead of American stuff. ;)

[Alexander]

More like Escape From New York. Escape from LA was just a really lame sequel which was a shame as it could have been so much better. Still at least the Soundtrack to Escape from LA was pretty good

Yes, yes, yes... but:

Escape From NY - Snake Plissken rescues US President.
Escape From LA - Snake Plissken rescues EMP device.
Banlieue 13 - Damien rescues Neutron Bomb.

So yes, it was a lame sequel, but the story is a rip from Escape From LA because they go after a Doomsday Device rather than the President of France. ;)

[Morbid_Doll]

If you take in to account all the stunts are real and done by the actors themselves it becomes a whole new level (I hope) bah well i liked it anyway ^_^

[drunkmonkey]

Yes, yes, yes... but:

Escape From NY - Snake Plissken rescues US President.
Escape From LA - Snake Plissken rescues EMP device.
Banlieue 13 - Damien rescues Neutron Bomb.

So yes, it was a lame sequel, but the story is a rip from Escape From LA because they go after a Doomsday Device rather than the President of France. ;)

Wouldnt you say that the president of the USA is a doomsday device :P

[Byakhiam]

Wouldnt you say that the president of the USA is a doomsday device :P

Depends on the president. If it's a Neo-Con president like Mr. Shrubbery, then yes, but if it's someone like the Good Old Lecher C., then not.

[Morbid_Doll]

ok ok last try with this film and if you guys aren't impressed with this you all quite strange!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZJDlYa57uI

each to there own i guesss ^_^

[ecclecticbb]

ok ok last try with this film and if you guys aren't impressed with this you all quite strange!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KZJDlYa57uI

each to there own i guesss ^_^

That one I like... So it is not american!!?? Must be good! It is French? Then it definately is good... :)

[Byakhiam]

I've seen Ong Bak and it didn't get me that excited. I suppose if you're fighting film junkie, having fighting / stunts done real can be something cool, but we're too cultured to appreciate a film just for that. ;)

Besides, it always make me just roll my eyes how many times in fighting film chase scenes there's just a million chances for the bad guys to shoot the protagonist, but they just don't. Like when the guys climbs the long ladder outside that building or at the end, when the black guy has a bloody assault rifle on his back and the protagonist is just on the roof across, certainly less than 50 meters away. :p

[Byakhiam]

That one I like... So it is not american!!?? Must be good! It is French? Then it definately is good... :)

You're letting your anti-Americanism blind you. :D

[ecclecticbb]

You're letting your anti-Americanism blind you. :D

How?

I always liked french cinema, since I was a kid. They play lots of french cinema on belgian TV, you know...

[Byakhiam]

How?

I always liked french cinema, since I was a kid. They play lots of french cinema on belgian TV, you know...

A fighting film with a poor excuse for a plot is not anyhow worse or better, depending on whether it is made in Hollywood or in France. ;)

[ecclecticbb]

A fighting film with a poor excuse for a plot is not anyhow worse or better, depending on whether it is made in Hollywood or in France. ;)

American films ALWAYS contain 2 irritating things:

1- American flag

2- The false sentence :"This is a free country"...

[Byakhiam]

American films ALWAYS contain 2 irritating things:

1- American flag

2- The false sentence :"This is a free country"...

Nopes, just the recent mainstream drivel has those in excess. There is plenty of not pro-American films coming from there and quite a few ones that are actually anti-American. A bit older example, but how is for example Apocalypse: Now pro-American? It might have the flag flying around, but I'd think you'd not be as narrow-minded to think a film bad for just a flag...

Also how are most of the sci-Fi, (pre-1779) historical or fantasy stuff pro-American?

[ecclecticbb]

Nopes, just the recent mainstream drivel has those in excess. There is plenty of not pro-American films coming from there and quite a few ones that are actually anti-American. A bit older example, but how is for example Apocalypse: Now pro-American? It might have the flag flying around, but I'd think you'd not be as narrow-minded to think a film bad for just a flag...

Also how are most of the sci-Fi, (pre-1779) historical or fantasy stuff pro-American?

They have to show the flag, they need it, it is compulsory and it has a profound meaning for them.

I do see some american films, but on the whole, I have grown very tired and bored of them. They generally have lots of propaganda. And it is logical.

[Byakhiam]

They have to show the flag, they need it, it is compulsory and it has a profound meaning for them.

I do see some american films, but on the whole, I have grown very tired and bored of them. They generally have lots of propaganda. And it is logical.

What American films have you seen recently then?

[ecclecticbb]

What American films have you seen recently then?

Wild at Heart.

See, David Lynch is an american that has a brain and does not need to claim he lives in a "free" country.

Probably they force him not to show the american flag in his films, cos they do not want him to do so...:D

I rarely go to the cinema these days because I am not inspired by the offer, if your question goes in that direction.

[ecclecticbb]

I really would like to know what was the last american film Kylon saw and what was his opinion of it...


(Sorry I just absolutely love his answers...!!!!:D:D:D:D)

[Byakhiam]

Wild at Heart.

See, David Lynch is an american that has a brain and does not need to claim he lives in a "free" country.

Probably they force him not to show the american flag in his films, cos they do not want him to do so...:D

So the only American film you've seen recently fails to fulfill your claim.

[ecclecticbb]

So the only American film you've seen recently fails to fulfill your claim.

You seem to fail to read properly what I post, too...

*EDIT*
Ok,... I did say American films ALWAYS. Well, I will say 99,8% of the time they show american flags and say"the"sentence.

[Byakhiam]

You seem to fail to read properly what I post, too...

I don't think so, unless the thing I've missed is very subtle sarcash.

[drunkmonkey]

Last film i watched in the cinema was mission impossible 3 it was total crap and full of pro american bullshit. stunts where ok thou and in my defense i had taken a paitent to watch it and work paid for it :P

[Byakhiam]

Last film i watched in the cinema was mission impossible 3 it was total crap and full of pro american bullshit. stunts where ok thou and in my defense i had taken a paitent to watch it and work paid for it :P

I would have been very surprised if Mission Impossible 3 wouldn't have been full of pro-American propaganda.

[drunkmonkey]

well like i said i got work to pay for it. any crap film that i see in the cinema work ends up paying for as it's a social skills activity lol

[Byakhiam]

Anyhow, to carry my point, out of the few latest American films I've seen, the following did not have an American flag and no recognizable pro-American propaganda:

- Serenity
- Pirates of the Caribbean
- Star Wars III
- Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe

Silent Hill and Kill Bill probably had an American flag lurking in somewhere, being set in the US, but I failed to see pro-US propaganda.

And films I've seen lately with pro-American propaganda:

- None

Certainly, I don't go watch that many films, but I still find it untrue that all American films would be pro-American propaganda romps.

Additionally, shallow action romp is not made any better by being produced elsewhere than in Hollywood. Hollywood just makes much more of them than the most. :D

[ecclecticbb]

Oh, wow!

I do hope you found those films interesting or at least, entertaining for their originality...

Tarantino? Uuuuuurrrrghhhh...*pinch nose in disgust*

[Byakhiam]

Entertaining, most certainly. Interesting, occasionally.

Original, now that's a more difficult one... Most films fail on this count, being rather same old stories told in new ways. Most art in general fails to create something truly original.

PS. Tarantino at least fills his action flicks with more interesting (deeper?) characters and plot than the most. :D

[ecclecticbb]

Tarantino does not exist. It is a product.

[Antagonist]

hmmm in my experience Tarantino falls into the fast edit violence, sex, drugs bullshit that would be interesting if it wasn't 10 a penny these days. Both Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction did great things with narrative... not sure I've seen any of his others. As a rule Lynch is a surrealist and doesn't really apply to the mould.

Pirates of the Carribean is a Disney film and has the "criminals are okay if we can make them pretty and unthreatening" ethos. And as long as the young hot guy gets the young hot girl, the whole world will be okay.

Watch more foreign films. Think about it: they don't need well-known (to us, they may be well known in their own country) stars to sell the film so they might actually have a decent plot.

Spain has produced some icons, including my hero Bunuel (though he mostly worked in France)

The far east has totally different philosophies to us in Western Europe so hunt out it's treasures. I saw "throne of Blood", a Japanese version of Macbeth from the 1930s (I think). It's great to see a well-known story told in a different voice.

Russian film artists are amongst the most revered. Eisenstein and (others whose names have long since left me) from 1919 to the 30s. Check 'em out.

And Mr Cronenberg (Is he american) gets a nod too.

[Byakhiam]

We were talking about American films, so I made examples of recent American films I've seen. That is not to be taken that they are the only films I've seen.

[ecclecticbb]

hmmm in my experience Tarantino falls into the fast edit violence, sex, drugs bullshit that would be interesting if it wasn't 10 a penny these days. Both Reservoir Dogs and Pulp Fiction did great things with narrative... not sure I've seen any of his others. As a rule Lynch is a surrealist and doesn't really apply to the mould.

Pirates of the Carribean is a Disney film and has the "criminals are okay if we can make them pretty and unthreatening" ethos. And as long as the young hot guy gets the young hot girl, the whole world will be okay.

Watch more foreign films. Think about it: they don't need well-known (to us, they may be well known in their own country) stars to sell the film so they might actually have a decent plot.

Spain has produced some icons, including my hero Bunuel (though he mostly worked in France)

The far east has totally different philosophies to us in Western Europe so hunt out it's treasures. I saw "throne of Blood", a Japanese version of Macbeth from the 1930s (I think). It's great to see a well-known story told in a different voice.

Russian film artists are amongst the most revered. Eisenstein and (others whose names have long since left me) from 1919 to the 30s. Check 'em out.

And Mr Cronenberg (Is he american) gets a nod too.

Yeay!!!

Well done girl! you got me interested in stuff...!!!

Bunuel! Ah!! No way the guy would be able to do what he wanted with Franco in power. That is why he HAD to work in France. S***t, I do need to read something about him, now! Thanks!!!


Aaaaargh, need to see lots of unknown films to me! Thanks Danni!

PS: I originally wanted to talk about french films, really... What a disaster: I did not succeed! :(

[Antagonist]

no, really. I studied film and as such my knowledge falls far short of what it should be.

I'd also recommend some German Expressionism as well: Nosferatu (the original, silent one, 1924 I think), The Cabinet of Dr Caligari (1919, Germany poured what little postwar money it had into film... there is politics in this story should you care to look. Else it's very innocent and beautiful-looking) and Metropolis (1929, you may know this one. It has a very sexy robot in it. Also dodgy politics. But genuinely the most expensive film ever made)

French films I only know Bunuel, and Delicatessen & Amelie!

[Byakhiam]

French film... I know Luc Besson. He's made quite a few neat pictures, my personal favourites being Leon and Fifth Element.

[drunkmonkey]

hmmm french films i seen are le haine and baise moi
thats bout it. i really need to try and watch some more felini at somepoint as well

[Alexander]

Les Visiteurs est tres amusant!

[Morbid_Doll]

French film... I know Luc Besson. He's made quite a few neat pictures, my personal favourites being Leon and Fifth Element.

Luc Besson directed and wrote the plot for the film that I started this thread with, FULL CIRCLE ^_^

[Morbid_Doll]

If we’re talking about French Directors I think I should really bring up one of my favourites - Jean-Pierre Jeunet i.e. Amélie, Delicatessen. He creates such beauty with such ease!

Antagonist - German Expressionism is pure genius, the way actors are all so dream-like! And the set in Caligari is just fantastic! Card walls and painted shadows and light, you can’t beat it, and the great thing is they could never get away with it today, or would be too scared to at least.

I absolutely love Japanese films, as well as the obvious Battle Royale and J-Horror films like The Grudge and The Ring (which notably Americans have tried to remake and failed miserably) films like Cure and Audition are fantastic, more recently I saw a film called One Missed Call, sooo good!

As for Tarrentino, I think his films are amazing. Although it probably has something to do with the fact that a few of them star Steve Buscemi (My favourite Actor!) ^_^

BB - Agreed, a lot a American films do have Propaganda “I love my country” bullshit but if you take a look at (and I don’t mean to be cliché with this example) Fight club it has great ideas of anti establishment and goes purposely against American ideals.

[Byakhiam]

Luc Besson directed and wrote the plot for the film that I started this thread with, FULL CIRCLE ^_^

My respect for him just dropped several notches. :D

Nah, my big problem with this District 13 movie is just that when the movie's trailer concentrates of fighting scenes *only*, it doesn't really promise much good in the interest scale.

I absolutely love Japanese films, as well as the obvious Battle Royale and J-Horror films like The Grudge and The Ring (which notably Americans have tried to remake and failed miserably) films like Cure and Audition are fantastic, more recently I saw a film called One Missed Call, sooo good!

There I have to agree with you, stuff coming from Japan is on average lightyears ahead of stuff coming from Hollywood.

[ecclecticbb]

BB - Agreed, a lot a American films do have Propaganda “I love my country” bullshit but if you take a look at (and I don’t mean to be cliché with this example) Fight club it has great ideas of anti establishment and goes purposely against American ideals.

Caligari is stunning! From all angles!

I did retract myself because I realised that my temper got me carried away(the American subject has that effect on me) and said that most of their films(I corrected it to 98%, I believe...) not all have propaganda. Fight Club? One of my favourites!

Morbid_Doll, I am sorry to have spammed your thread but it does look like it is getting more interesting.

[Antagonist]

Yeah, they're not all bad. The remake of "the Ring" was ace. Video shop gave it to me when I wanted the original!

Just a case of wading through all the resident crap. And, point to note, not even I will be heading to the Pirates of the Carribean sequel, you have to understand the gravitas of that fact *toys with Johnny Depp doll* Maybe I'll just see Cry Baby instead (musical about poor and dysfunctional American family with Mr Depp, Traci Lords and Rikki Lake. Watch - this - now!!)

[ecclecticbb]

If you take in to account all the stunts are real and done by the actors themselves it becomes a whole new level (I hope) bah well i liked it anyway ^_^
Right, talked about the film with a friend and he mentioned those guys in France who make these incredible jumps and acrobacies in buildings. I saw a TV program here 2 or 3 years ago where they were invited to do the same in London's landmarks...

Then I just got back to look at the clips you have posted and searched info on the film.

Man, I AM interested in seeing this, now. All action films are roughly the same and all kind of copy each other plotwise. I yawn at cars/buildings exploding. Nothing more boring than that. Now, those guys do the stuff. No special effects or very little and all along, I believe that was your point for recommending this film but we just overlooked that because we were too busy trying to be clever...:(

Well, guys, I am with Morbid Doll in this, I had enough of special effects and want the real thing, just cos it is more vibrant, real, raw, exciting... Fuck the plot if it is a copy, if the entertainment is going to be there and it will be amazing(I normally do not see action films anyway, so it will be like new to me). I need to see it, now!:)

PS1: The guy does not get shot during the running while he tries to escape because the baddie tell his mates not to shoot him cos if the guy gets killed, the baddie gets in trouble(that happens after he locks himself up on the 2nd clip). So there!

[Byakhiam]

Well, I've seen Ong-Bak, which is also proclaimed great by this real action thing and I have to say that I don't think it makes it so magnificient. If you want to see people fighting for real, going watching something like boxing should be immensely better and if acrobatics is your thing, I'm sure there's plenty of martial arts competitions / matches that allow spectators as well. Even if they do the stunts for real in these movies, they can do scenes over so many times to get them right that the end result looks just like more down to earth special effects anyway.

PS1: That explains it for this scene then. :)

[fad]

Anyhow, to carry my point, out of the few latest American films I've seen, the following did not have an American flag and no recognizable pro-American propaganda:

- Serenity
- Pirates of the Caribbean
- Star Wars III
- Narnia: The Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe


What about the bit where Jesus the Lion pulled out the stars and stripes and said 'This is for truth, justice and the American way' before trouncing the unicorns whose guns had jammed on the second clip then?...or was that only on the DVD release.
...or the scene where Darth Threepio was eating a pie that looked suspiciously 'Apple' discussing his 'huddled masses'...with an Ewok called Liberty?
And the bit where Buffy the Vampire slayer in a cowboy outfit sang Star Spangled Banner while fellating Keith Richards in drag...or was that in the telly series?
Despite this proselytizing every American film is great! Honest! (Just keep 'em happy and they might not invade!)
And BB don't diss the Tarantinoster, without him there wouldn't even BE movies!!!

[ecclecticbb]

And BB don't diss the Tarantinoster, without him there wouldn't even BE movies!!!

LOL!!

You should post more often!

[drunkmonkey]

And the bit where Buffy the Vampire slayer in a cowboy outfit sang Star Spangled Banner while fellating Keith Richards in drag...or was that in the telly series?


You got a copy of that I can borrow it sounds quite intresting :D

[Antagonist]

You got a copy of that I can borrow it sounds quite intresting :D

Got it? He was in it.

[Byakhiam]

Brilliant post Fad. I don't think I've got as hearty laugh for anything here in quite a while.

[fad]

Got it? He was in it.
And she should know!!! (Nudge nudge Eh, 'Liberty!?')

[fad]

Brilliant post Fad. I don't think I've got as hearty laugh for anything here in quite a while.
Unfortunately I can't claim it all to be entirely original....much of it was copied directly from Steve Weeks's last DJing set!
...and if you found that amusing you should see the photos I took when I put a drawing pin in the end of my 'person of oriental origin's' eye....looked like a coffe-table for very small dwarves (I would have said 'fairy's' but some of the fairys I know are quite large......or so they tell me).

[Guy13]

Tarantino? Uuuuuurrrrghhhh...*pinch nose in disgust*

Tarantino is hilarious as the blind preacher in Little Nicky. I think he's far better as an actor than as a director.

[Antagonist]

And she should know!!! (Nudge nudge Eh, 'Liberty!?')

What? I'm sure this means something... elaborate!

[ecclecticbb]

Tarantino is hilarious as the blind preacher in Little Nicky. I think he's far better as an actor than as a director.

Good that you like him. I profoundly dislike him and noone has succeeded in converting me into an admirer or slightly interested in his work. And I have seen his films to only yawn widely at them.