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v4mpir
18-03-2006, 02:18 PM
is there a reason why we are not allowed to take photos in slimes? just wondering as i make a lot of fond memories and would like to capture some on film :)

Byakhiam
18-03-2006, 02:32 PM
I think because the patrons don't wish to feel like animals in a zoo, being pictured by "tourists". I think allowing photography in Slime would push some folks to cut back in the way they dress or act.

wasted_industry
18-03-2006, 02:48 PM
Probably right. I think if I was dancing and someone flashed a camera at me, I'd be put off quite badly.

v4mpir
18-03-2006, 02:49 PM
ahh fair enough. i suppose if you give allow people to do something, there will be some that will just take advantage of it for the wrong reasons...

still a shame thou.

one thing i would like to see is for slimes to hire a photographer for at least one evening a month, say the three floor, to go around the club taking descrete photos of willing subjects and post these on the website.

wasted_industry
18-03-2006, 02:51 PM
one thing i would like to see is for slimes to hire a photographer for at least one evening a month, say the three floor, to go around the club taking descrete photos of willing subjects and post these on the website.

That would be cool. As long as permission is asked, it wouldn't be a problem - in fact I seem to remember the odd occasion where a professional photographer was brought in for the night...?

Dark_Angel
18-03-2006, 03:17 PM
I personally dont see anything wrong with taking pictures in a club (ive been having mine took for an alt website up here in the north for 6 years now and there are some seriously BAD pictures) but only if someones willing to get their pic took, you should have the choice wether to have your mug pasted all over the intarweb or not

Byakhiam
18-03-2006, 03:50 PM
I personally dont see anything wrong with taking pictures in a club (ive been having mine took for an alt website up here in the north for 6 years now and there are some seriously BAD pictures) but only if someones willing to get their pic took, you should have the choice wether to have your mug pasted all over the intarweb or not

That's what it boils down to. It's impossible to enforce a rule that says "You may only photograph people with their consent in Slimelight", so we have "You may not photograph in Slimelight". And I think it's for the best. People can take photos of each other in a huge plenty of other places, so they surely can manage to abstain from photographing in Slime.

industrialwarrior
18-03-2006, 04:09 PM
whenever i have been to the coven, in luton, the main guy that dj's there, russ (aka nephilimbabe on live journal) has his wife with a digicam, and they take pix between them of the night. i think, as someone said before, if one of the djs/management was to "mill around" taking random pix throughout the night, not of anyone in particular but just shots of the dancefloor....

that way it's just crowd shots, nobody in particular has been photographed... and then you could always have the pix up on a site and people have the fun of going through them after, trying to spot themselves... LOL!

besides, i sometimes take pix in slimes using my phone, and it doesn't have a flash, and it's only my friends i am with that i take pix of. i'd never dream of taking pix of complete strangers with a flash camera.

mi-aow x

ecclecticbb
19-03-2006, 08:58 AM
That would be cool. As long as permission is asked, it wouldn't be a problem - in fact I seem to remember the odd occasion where a professional photographer was brought in for the night...?

If we are thinking about the same moment and photographer, it was about 5 years ago and it was Dave who was a regular on the top Slimelight floor. He still go to Slime but not so often.

I think he told me at the time he wanted to publish a book with pictures of alternative people pictures. Or I misanderstood and he wanted to make a portfolio. Either way, I do believe he was there because he requested it and he set up his camera and spots well out of the way and the dancefloor. More exactly it was on the stairway leading next to the upper floor bar leading to the old goth floor and only people who wanted was pictured. Somehow he managed to convince me and when I saw the pictures I was amazed. He totally captured each people's personality. My shyness was breathing out of the picture strongly and I looked like a little harmless person with the outfit of a cheeky little devil... Yin-Yang... Me.

Brilliant work, Dave in case you visit this forum!

For any of you interested: http://www.davidhindley.com/aamasterpage/mainpage1.html

Go to Clubs and there, from page 8 you have a little sample of the pictures taken that night. All of them old timers that we do not see much in Slimelight these days.

PS: I would not like pictures of the crowd taken if I am there. Next life, I hope to be "The Invisible Woman"...

CIW
19-03-2006, 10:23 AM
Actually also don't understand that much, why fotos are forbidden...
in the clubscene in Germany it's pretty common that several photographers run around and make clubs, posting these on their sites, often good sites with good fotos, and people seem to enjoy that...

Sinmara
19-03-2006, 11:19 AM
That's what it boils down to. It's impossible to enforce a rule that says "You may only photograph people with their consent in Slimelight", .

that is possible, if it works for fetish clubs, why not at Slimelight? Slimelight will have to hire a photographer that does it, and only he will be allowed to take pictures.

I personally would welcome that :)

kylon
19-03-2006, 12:33 PM
If you set up and enforce a portrait area, then it is possible, but Slimelight doesn't really have the facilities for that. Besides, we are missing a key difference here. Slimelight is for alternative music types. Fetish clubs are for showboating fucktards.

Now there is a certain crossover element of showboating fucktards in slimelight. Lets not encourage them.

Antagonist
19-03-2006, 01:34 PM
Hmm, it would be good if there was a spot designated for fotos, especially as so many people look so fine. I've noticed that Slimelight gets a mention on dontstayin.com, which is a bit pointless as the site is built of clubbing photos. I don't think it needs the publicity, but still, I'd love a photo of my dressed up buddies (i'm too little to take decent portraits!)

It would help us put names to faces as well. Very important for those of us who can't mingle for toffee!

Sinmara
19-03-2006, 04:59 PM
Fetish clubs are for showboating fucktards.

Now there is a certain crossover element of showboating fucktards in slimelight. Lets not encourage them.

/ironymode on

oh gosh, yes, they are absolutely horrible, how dare they doing that!

/ironymode off

now where is my flogger...

DerOberst
19-03-2006, 05:24 PM
Slimelight is for alternative music types. Fetish clubs are for showboating fucktards.


Ahh yes,You are talking the hilariously bad Tg then.I have frequented fetish clubs on and off for years!And I must say Tg has got to be one of the worst examples of a whole scene gone wrong.I used to ermm go to very seedy places and loved em proper black or see through latex marvelous und seedy
Now it seems to be lets make or buy the most gaudy ugly expensive,latex or whatever lurid crap they wear,plus the music while once good has de-generated into the worst kind of disco crap I have ever heard!People love getting photographed there because its the only attention they will ever get!
oooh look at my lovely shiny outfit,I'm so fetish I wear a corset (shudders)
so these days I leave that kinda thing for the wannabe's or those needing attention!

Sinmara
19-03-2006, 05:41 PM
does that mean that dressing up for Slimelight is bad? Where is the line between dressing up in - say - uniforms or with a huge mohawk and tons of fishnets and attention seeking?

maybe next time everybody should go just in plain black shirts and black jeans *yawn* then there's definitely no attention seeking...

DerOberst
19-03-2006, 05:53 PM
does that mean that dressing up for Slimelight is bad? Where is the line between dressing up in - say - uniforms or with a huge mohawk and tons of fishnets and attention seeking?

maybe next time everybody should go just in plain black shirts and black jeans *yawn* then there's definitely no attention seeking...
well I dont dress for attention I never have,I dress for ME.If people have a problem with my attire thats for them.I'd say the dress code in slimes has relaxed in recent years whether that is good or bad I dont know,but I certainly dont like to be photographed(all image is copyright)hehehe!
Again there is a fine line between dressing up for fun,and dressing up for
attention!I know of people who have spent hundreds of pounds on a dress for tg then never wore it again!Where is the sense!!!!

Sinmara
19-03-2006, 06:16 PM
well I dont dress for attention I never have,I dress for ME.If people have a problem with my attire thats for them.I'd say the dress code in slimes has relaxed in recent years whether that is good or bad I dont know,but I certainly dont like to be photographed(all image is copyright)hehehe!
Again there is a fine line between dressing up for fun,and dressing up for
attention!I know of people who have spent hundreds of pounds on a dress for tg then never wore it again!Where is the sense!!!!


and yet you assume people who buy outrageous rubber outfits etc do that purely for attention - what if they do it for themselves, because it feels good to dress up and look gorgeous? It's called fetish for a reason. I love wearing PVC because it feels great, and I love wearing corsets - again, because I feel great wearing them.

Yeah sure there are plenty of people who seek attention. I appreciate effort and good outfits, if it's purely for attention seeking I don't care. If it looks good, there's nothing wrong with that.

industrialwarrior
19-03-2006, 06:27 PM
well I dont dress for attention I never have,I dress for ME.If people have a problem with my attire thats for them...
Again there is a fine line between dressing up for fun,and dressing up for
attention!I know of people who have spent hundreds of pounds on a dress for tg then never wore it again!Where is the sense!!!!

same as, keith.
i dress the way I do for slimes because i enjoy it. i enjoy the getting ready part as much as i enjoy my nights in slimes. when i have been to metal clubs in the past in my skimpy outfits, it's because i want to wear it, not to showcase myself, plus i actually overheat quickly and find that skin exposure is good for me, for cooling purposes...

i'd never spend tons of money on an outfit and never wear it again. i like wearing dane clothing, that's my personal taste, but i never but it from their website - too expensive! i get my stuff on ebay at a fraction of retail cost.

i wear my dane tops out of slimes, too. it's one thing to get the outfits, etc and only wear them for clubbing. i like wearing my cyber tops on my days off, at home, too:)

DerOberst
19-03-2006, 06:36 PM
and yet you assume people who buy outrageous rubber outfits etc do that purely for attention - what if they do it for themselves, because it feels good to dress up and look gorgeous? It's called fetish for a reason. I love wearing PVC because it feels great, and I love wearing corsets - again, because I feel great wearing them.

Yeah sure there are plenty of people who seek attention. I appreciate effort and good outfits, if it's purely for attention seeking I don't care. If it looks good, there's nothing wrong with that.
Yes I see where you are going but I Assume nothingI know a lot of the fetish scene and why people buy clothing and why they feel good in it.Fact is The so called fetish couture these days has become so bland and unshockable its a real shame,Yes you love wearing corsets and pvc but that comes with the territory you are living an alternative way of life.As do I I have been the way I am for years I dont know anything else!I saw you in slimes last night and I know who you are you have taste:)but beleive me there are a lot of people who dont,I have been to many clubs and so called alternative fetish nights
how many times I have seen people walk around in the worst kind of attire
or for that matter none at all just to be photographed or seen with the right people!Some are shallow and some are not

Sinmara
19-03-2006, 06:42 PM
saw you in slimes last night and I know who you are you have taste:)but beleive me there are a lot of people who dont,I have been to many clubs and so called alternative fetish nights
how many times I have seen people walk around in the worst kind of attire
or for that matter none at all just to be photographed or seen with the right people!Some are shallow and some are not


thank you :)

yeah that's certainly true, there are people who dress horribly :/

DerOberst
19-03-2006, 06:46 PM
well I like to give credit where its due!Snowwy has shown me some of the
stuff you have made!You have a real talent there keep it up:)

Sinmara
19-03-2006, 07:58 PM
well I like to give credit where its due!Snowwy has shown me some of the
stuff you have made!You have a real talent there keep it up:)

why, thank you very much :)

oh that was you with Snowwy, saw you on the main floor at the beginning of the night but Snowwy was dancing away and I didn't want to disturb her :D

DerOberst
19-03-2006, 08:22 PM
Hehehe!Yeah you should have said hello,yus I'm mr snowwy or keef as most like to call me:)

Sinmara
19-03-2006, 08:31 PM
Hehehe!Yeah you should have said hello,yus I'm mr snowwy or keef as most like to call me:)

d'oh, you're on LJ too, aren't you? remember your nick from Snowwys journal entries hehe

Stoo
20-03-2006, 02:21 AM
Ahh yes,You are talking the hilariously bad Tg then.I have frequented fetish clubs on and off for years!And I must say Tg has got to be one of the worst examples of a whole scene gone wrong.I used to ermm go to very seedy places and loved em proper black or see through latex marvelous und seedy
Now it seems to be lets make or buy the most gaudy ugly expensive,latex or whatever lurid crap they wear,plus the music while once good has de-generated into the worst kind of disco crap I have ever heard!People love getting photographed there because its the only attention they will ever get!
oooh look at my lovely shiny outfit,I'm so fetish I wear a corset (shudders)
so these days I leave that kinda thing for the wannabe's or those needing attention!

As a TG regular I feel the need to jump in and give it some sort of defence...

Yes, TG's music is trendy electronic music. All the types of house, trance, etc.

Yes, TG is much more about the outfit then the sex, which is a bit silly in a fetish club.

Yes, TG has become a place where the predominant crowd are people being 'wierd' for the evening. White collar workers who felt like 'gothing it up' or whatever and so went down to Anne Summers and bought a hideously overpriced jockstrap and whip. Plus the £20-£30 for the ticket.

So therefore it is to a certain extent an overpriced vacation spot to experience a brief burst of what people assume is alternative culture, which some alternative people resent as it simply lumps sex and goths and satanism and all the typical ignorant assumptions together into one night and we get a rather crap representation of it all.

But, in its defence....

*scratches head*

You can't expect the positives of TG e.g. the performers, the venues, lights, projectors etc etc etc to be funded if you don't play music (and therefore a crowd) for the majority. I would love it if they began playing industrial in TG, but in case you hadn't noticed it's not very popular generally, and clubs are businesses afterall. It's a double standard to resent automatic links between the fetish scene and goth culture, but then be upset when they arn't playing alternative music.

Your right, a lot of people simply are playing 'wierd' for the night. And we are the 'real alternatives' I suppose because we have a genuine passion for the clothes and music, but lets not dissapear too far up our own bums, because there are more important things in life, even though it is a big part of our identity.

I am one of the sad people who has watched Party Monster too many times and has delibrately dressed up in a beyond bizzare outfit for TG for the fun of creating and wearing it, and it is nice when you have your photo taken, but I do not have the false club kid elitist obnoxious attitude that some 'alternative' people do. Meaning that TG does attract a small group of attention seeking wankers who go clubbing only to be seen in their outfits, but nearly all of them will be slimelight regulars. The 'I am more alternative then you because I look it, despite the fact that I care nothing for the music or the scene, only for my own image' group. They are relatively small in number thankfully, their number remains constant because as new one's discover slimelight, party monster, Cyberdog and an express ticket to being 'alternative', for others the novelty of looking more cyber then everyone else wears off, the drugs mess them up or they wake up one day and think to themselves 'What the fuck am I doing with my life?'

I have gone on for too long so I shall simply finish by saying that it's a fun, good club which though its fetish element has been diluted somewhat there are plenty of more hardcore fetish clubs to go to, I still think that TG is a unique experience, despite the fact that i'd imagine that it was a lot more fresh back when it started, but I think that after all this time it's still a pretty damn good club. Appreciate it for what it is, clubs are for enjoyment afterall and should not be taken too seriously to the point where we are saying 'these people in this club are better then those people at that club'.

Sinmara
20-03-2006, 07:45 PM
I still think that TG is a unique experience, despite the fact that i'd imagine that it was a lot more fresh back when it started, but I think that after all this time it's still a pretty damn good club.

seconded :) see you on the 15th at the Mass? I'll be dressing up accordingly to the theme for a change *snigger*

DerOberst
21-03-2006, 02:29 AM
I am one of the sad people who has watched Party Monster too many times and has delibrately dressed up in a beyond bizzare outfit for TG for the fun of creating and wearing it, and it is nice when you have your photo taken, but I do not have the false club kid elitist obnoxious attitude that some 'alternative' people do. Meaning that TG does attract a small group of attention seeking wankers who go clubbing only to be seen in their outfits, but nearly all of them will be slimelight regulars. The 'I am more alternative then you because I look it, despite the fact that I care nothing for the music or the scene, only for my own image' group. They are relatively small in number thankfully, their number remains constant because as new one's discover slimelight, party monster, Cyberdog and an express ticket to being 'alternative', for others the novelty of looking more cyber then everyone else wears off, the drugs mess them up or they wake up one day and think to themselves 'What the fuck am I doing with my life?'
.
I dont think you are sad!And you said the magic word creating your own outfit
now if people had the attitude of yourself and sinmara it would be excellent:)

Crash_Dark
21-03-2006, 09:29 AM
Personally, I'm glad that you aren't allowed to take pictures in Slimelight. I really don't like being photographed, as I'm rarely (if ever) happy with the way I look, and kind of manage to forget it until I see a picture (or a mirror)...and if I don't like a picture of me, I certainly don't want anyone else seeing it.

For this reason, I think that if photographs were to be allowed, it should be as Dave Hindley used to do it - by a sanctioned photographer in a particular area , and voluntarily. Photographs should need to be approved by the subject before they can be published.

I understand that candid photography can sometimes catch people best, especially people like me who become stupidly shy (even more than usual) when a camera is pointed at them, but it would make me very nervous and spoil my enjoyment of the club if I thought that people were wandering around taking pictures, and I could be photographed at any time. I suppose it sounds a bit presumptuous, thinking that people may want to take my picture, but people don't always take pictures for good reasons.

kira
21-03-2006, 01:16 PM
I agree with you DerOrbest. I have frequented fetish clubs for a long time and occasionaly I still go to TG (Honestly only for special occasion or if I have to see some interesting performances) but recently it seems to be different, and unfortunately I have to say, it is full of people who want just to show themeselves and who obviously need attention. I mean, there is nothing wrong in dressing up. I love wearing my corsets or rubber as I love my military stuff, because I am feeling ...me! More confindent, more powerful, I'm absolutely fine with myself. But I am doing this only for me because I'm feeling confortable and not because I want some attention. I also appreciate good outfits...I think there is a line between what people do because they really want to so, and what people do because is "cool". This is obvious and not only at TG.If you look at the High Street , for example, how "cool" is "military" style at the moment?! (All these jackets around on tube...they upset me so early in the morning when I am going to work...) This makes me sad: not wearing something because you enjoy it, but wearing it because everybody's got it and you have to be the best. And actually TG is becoming like a competition now...My boyfriend is actually a photographer and you can't imagine (or probably you can) how many people I saw doing everything just to be in front of a camera. Some are good, some definetely not...

Anyway, people who are confortable in dressing up have to continue to dress up...it is not only a way to feeling fine, but you can also express your creativity.

Crash_Dark
21-03-2006, 01:23 PM
I also agree that TG has 'lost it'. The people there make the atmosphere bad IMHO, and I don't like the music. I only go now on rare occasions, usually when I'm going with some friends.

Stoo
21-03-2006, 03:03 PM
I think there is a line between what people do because they really want to so, and what people do because is "cool". This is obvious and not only at TG.If you look at the High Street , for example, how "cool" is "military" style at the moment?! (All these jackets around on tube...they upset me so early in the morning when I am going to work...) This makes me sad: not wearing something because you enjoy it, but wearing it because everybody's got it and you have to be the best. And actually TG is becoming like a competition now...My boyfriend is actually a photographer and you can't imagine (or probably you can) how many people I saw doing everything just to be in front of a camera. Some are good, some definetely not...

Anyway, people who are confortable in dressing up have to continue to dress up...it is not only a way to feeling fine, but you can also express your creativity.

Oh dear, avoid the next TG like the plague then - it's WAR THEMED! Your utter worst nightmare eh?

Also lets face it, the scene has become one large contradiction. I have been told that a long time ago, it was the people that wore genuinely different things that were considered to be alternative. Nowadays you conform to be different. To be 'cyber' you wear goggles, cyberdog/jupiter clothes, swear shoes. To be 'trad goth' you wear new rocks, fishnets, a frilly black dress, crosses and black nail polish. To be 'Militia' you wear military cap, a shirt and tie, a miltary jacket, trousers and boots.

Contrary to some beliefs, I think some slimelighters can be rather judgemental about dress. We have entire room of threads on here devoted to discussing the subject! It is this and the fact that the place where 90% of us get our clothes is being torn apart at an utterly alarming rate. If I see one more good shop in Camden shutting down to be replaced by a stall selling tacky wood and stone on bits of string, or MORE nightmare before christmas merchandise I'M GOING TO SCREAM!!!!

*deep breath*

*sob*

So I suppose since our choice is rapidly becoming smaller and smaller we should innovate, shop elsewhere and deviate away from the rather limited SL groups that have been established.

Imitation's the sincerest form of flattery, but enough is enough...

Then again i'm usually so typically dressed as 'cyber' this is highly hypocritical...

drunkmonkey
21-03-2006, 10:50 PM
Since when did this thread become a pro/anti TG one last i checked it was about photographs in slimelight hmmmmmmm

Crash_Dark
22-03-2006, 09:48 AM
Since when did this thread become a pro/anti TG one last i checked it was about photographs in slimelight hmmmmmmm

Oh my, a thread on here? Going off-topic? Whatever next?!

:D

Teehee

SP
22-03-2006, 10:30 AM
So, back on topic then, I would like to draw your attention to the Rules of Slimelight ... in particular, this one ...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v719/DeepJoy/NoPics2.jpg

lol ;)

Crash_Dark
22-03-2006, 11:29 AM
That's just cheeky, SP ;)

Rivetmike
22-03-2006, 12:49 PM
Fantastic work :)

Rivetmike

SP
22-03-2006, 12:59 PM
I do my best! he he!

Antagonist
22-03-2006, 08:25 PM
a friend of mine nearly had her camera confiscated taking the pic of me on my profile page. I hope it was worth it for her. Personally it gives me a chance to show off my fabulous cybergun to the world! Hmmm, photographers should be limited to where they take pics at least, not that such a thing would be allowed anyway.

Byakhiam
23-03-2006, 12:15 AM
a friend of mine nearly had her camera confiscated taking the pic of me on my profile page. I hope it was worth it for her. Personally it gives me a chance to show off my fabulous cybergun to the world! Hmmm, photographers should be limited to where they take pics at least, not that such a thing would be allowed anyway.

It was definetly worth it in my opinion, since that's very good picture. Kudos for the photographer for her bravery. :)

toxygenie
23-03-2006, 07:06 PM
It was definetly worth it in my opinion, since that's very good picture. Kudos for the photographer for her bravery. :)
ditto~

Ah... about 2 years ago I encountered a girl with a camera and a badge who was acting in an official type capacity, no problem with that, they ask you say yes or know...