I dont dress goth but I enjoy the music... [Archive]

Olaf68

12-03-2003, 03:11 PM

I have a been a goth for many many years but haven't dressed up also for many years. Hence probably why I don't even bother going to clubs anymore knowing that they won't let me in as every club entrance is always dictatorial as who can and cannot get in :x . Maybe Slimelight is different I can't really say I've never been there (heard a lot about it though). I can see how people look at me at concert, even though I feel comfortable with them they don't seem to feel comfortable with me in such event simply because I don't bother dressing up as much as they do. I think black should be sufficient but definitely NO TIE (zzzzz) :!: (NO ! i'm not paranoid) :D Membership sounds better to me :D :D :D

Zeromancer

13-03-2003, 03:49 PM

firstly...fad NEEEEEEEEEER :P

secondly... its nice to see I'm not the only one I mean I would get membership but I gots to get in first I do know someone that goes qite alot but thats only one!
do u rekon theres anychance I could use my boyish gd looks to find another or would land me in some deep trouble..i.e having to do some sexual favors

7thStranger

19-03-2003, 03:49 AM

I tried not long ago to get into the Slimelight, but was refused entry on grounds of "not dressed dark enough" :( which i thought was a little ironic as i was head to toe in black :? ... it's a strange business all this 'dress code' fascism. It's a real shame as i know that i am not the only person into "dark" music of this type who does not dress "goth". What is silly is that i have a friend too, who i recently introduced to EBM/Industrial music, that would love to go clubbing each weekend along with myself, but after this recent experience has been put off by the scene thinking it to be arrogant. I wanted to stick up for the EBM/Industrial side, but what could i say to him? ... i had to agree (reluctantly) :evil: Oh well... at least my Hi-Fi loves me :D (now where's my Hocico CD?) :twisted:

faticeira

20-03-2003, 04:41 PM

Strange how some do not get in, yet so many casuals in blue jeans are running around in slimes regardless of bouncers turning people away. Confusing.

Dakari-mane

26-03-2003, 12:45 PM

Dress code = Good.
Less trendies to cause me grief.

faticeira

26-03-2003, 05:17 PM

Dress code = Good.
Less trendies to cause me grief.

I agree. Plus, what is wrong having a dress code?????? Trendy casual places do! Why does it have to be a huge fuss that we want a dresscode and all. Part of the great atmosphere of slimelight, is seeing all the people dressed up and expressing themselves. It feels like one big party with a really cool theme. And sorry, but blue jeans and a crap tee shirt is not expressing yourself at all.....unless to express boredom and I can't be bothered to dress up for a night out. Live a little! And Blink.....argh...don't say it!! ;p;p;p Mr blue hair...you are dressing up a bit now :D

Blink

26-03-2003, 06:33 PM

"..........."

7thStranger

26-03-2003, 08:24 PM

Dress code = Good.
Less trendies to cause me grief.

hehe..... obviously touched a nerve or two :)

But by adhering to a dress code, doesnt that make you a trendy too? after all.... that is what makes a trend :wink:

(dictionary definition of the word 'Trend' = Consciously Fashionable)

Anyway.. i just thought it would be nice to have a place where just your taste in music was all that matters. And in the case of troublemakers, well surely that is why we have security staff.

And another point .. :roll: why must it be that you can only express yourself through the clothes you wear? doesn't what you say or the way you think or how about this one.... the MUSIC you listen too form a type of self expression? For you see... fashion is just ONE form of self expression, and to tell others that this is the only way they will be accepted seems kinda wrong to me.

<just for the record.... i hate trendy casual places> :twisted:

aaaah....... just one of those days when i needed to rant a little :)

Dakari-mane

27-03-2003, 08:39 AM

I am not fashionable, I have style. I agree with you that there are many forms of self expression & I would welcome anyone that wants to wander around Slimelight carrying their latest gothic painting, sculpture or other artsy thing (Any1 carrying gothic poetry will be laughed at!)

Blink

27-03-2003, 06:53 PM

But by adhering to a dress code, doesnt that make you a trendy too? after all.... that is what makes a trend :wink:

(dictionary definition of the word 'Trend' = Consciously Fashionable)

Anyway.. i just thought it would be nice to have a place where just your taste in music was all that matters.

And another point .. :roll: why must it be that you can only express yourself through the clothes you wear? doesn't what you say or the way you think or how about this one.... the MUSIC you listen too form a type of self expression? For you see... fashion is just ONE form of self expression, and to tell others that this is the only way they will be accepted seems kinda wrong to me.

And I never had to say a word

kerbliner

04-04-2003, 06:08 PM

Once upon a time I was a 5'' Mohawk topped, heavly peicered, darkside techno dude... I used to go to Slimelight every once in a while with friends from Uni.. Had great times, wicked music, all good.

In the passing four or five years I've slowly lost the metal in my face (which I dearly miss) due to work and chopped the non-employable hair off ('cos it just wasn't me), and now sport a short back n sides...

I went just the other week to the last SLimelight and was turned away... Not dressed right.. I wear pretty much the same every day (dirty blue jeans, tee shirt, hoodie) and have done since forever... I feel my clothes represent who I am and I don't care what people think...

So what is it? Lack of body mutilations? - I could have stripped naked and showed my scars but I was more than a little offended.....
Lack of black clothes? - Athough I saw many more wearing the same colours etc..

I just feel its a little rich when the sub-culture who pride themselfs on being an outlet for the non-conformists get all up thier own arses over people who don't conform.

I am the origanal darkside raver... I love the music, the scene, the drugs and everything that goes with it. I think it sucks that people r turned away for thier dress.. whatever happened to self expression? Do we have to wear leather or rubber to enjoy this scene or what?

I had some great times at Slimelight, but I don't think it right that its dictated to what you wear. Why should we dress up in clothes that don't represent who we are to enjoy a scene we are clearly part of?

Don't you all realise that no-one wants to come to Slimelight who isnt into it? It has no appeal to the "trendies" "ruud boys" you're all so afraid of....

One day (when I can borrow some PVC) I'll be back, but until the policy changes I guess I'll be somewhere where I can be who I am...

What a shame......

.:kerbliner:.

7thStranger

04-04-2003, 08:01 PM

I just feel its a little rich when the sub-culture who pride themselfs on being an outlet for the non-conformists get all up thier own arses over people who don't conform.

I don't think it right that its dictated to what you wear. Why should we dress up in clothes that don't represent who we are to enjoy a scene we are clearly part of?

Don't you all realise that no-one wants to come to Slimelight who isnt into it? It has no appeal to the "trendies" "ruud boys" you're all so afraid of....

EXACTLY ...

WOW... i fink i'm in love :wink:

Blink

05-04-2003, 11:14 AM

More people who talk sense :D

Ms_CC

06-04-2003, 11:48 PM

A few years ago I went through a weird stage of wearing weird casual type clothes to slimelight.. considering that I had been a member for years I dont see why I shouldnt have!

It does annoy me though when people are allowed who end up harrassing people for the way they are dressed![/img]

CYRAX

07-04-2003, 10:45 PM

I have no problem with dress codes, once some idiots were let in to our local goth/industrial night and caused terror because they were eh anti-goth you know the type I mean, after that I kind of saw the point of having a dress code was to keep people like that out maybe ? If im not making any sense you can smack me in the face ;)

Blink

08-04-2003, 07:05 PM

the point of having a dress code was to keep people like that out maybe ?

And there was me thinking that was the point of membership

kerbliner

09-04-2003, 10:57 AM

The point of security is to keep people like that out. A dress code is to to give a sense of an "image" to the club...

I'm not (and never have been) a goth. I don't however, look down on others because they are. I just don't care... it takes all sorts in this world, I don't have time to discriminate against people becuase they feel that thier calling is one to wear black and get thier shoes from Camden Town, who gives a damn right?

An individuals "image" is something special to them, and reflects who they are and what the've been exposed to. I got into industrial and darkcore though electronica and tekno, not metal and nu-romantic darkness like many of the people on this site, and while I hardly think you could describe me as a "trendie", I'm just not into the leather and make up that many are here... its not me, and I would be doing it to fit in if I dressed like that.

All people are different. I've met Goths who are wedged so tightly up thier leather clad arses I can hardly stand to be near them, "Townies" that are down to earth, passionate and considerate and vice versa. It makes no difference.

Slimelight attracts a certain type of person. Some people don't like being in a place like that, and some may feel intimidated by those around them...Slimelight is not for them. Its not a place for attitude and anomosity, and I agree with CYRAX, people there to start trouble shouldn't be let in in the first place... that sux that ur local night was disturbed like that. However, most people with a head on thier shoulders can tell the difference between a group of local thugs there to start something, and individuals wanting a good time.

When I was turned away there was no doubt in my mind that it was because of my dress, not because they thought I would start on someone. It was simply a case of "Nah, you 'aint alternitive enuf"...

Maybe I don't belong there... If that is what its all about then bollox to it. The alternitive scene in London was always about self expression to me, about being who you are and taking comfort in others doing the same in unity. No-one told me you had to buy into a fashion to listen to this music....

If theres someone out there who wants to invite a not-quite-alternitive-enuf type along to Slimelight as a guest please reply! :twisted:

cooky

04-05-2003, 10:31 PM

now then, i went to slimlight last night for the first time with a few of my freinds, we had been to the sheep on drugs gig before hand and was well up for a good night out, the mood was great and everyone was just having a laff. we had been told preiviously that it was a members club but acording to the sight if u looked the part u could prob get in anyway.

we turned up and there was a few members with us so we all could get sighned in, we dident realy fit in to the normal slimlight looks admitidly, but we wernt a bunch of shirt waring thugs lookign for a fight agaist "them fuckin wirdo goths" me and our lass both have dreads, (blonde not black) i have a fair few facial piercings, our sis has short bloned hair with a few pink bits in it and piercings,and the bouncer sed to her" do u have the right night love" and her freind looks kinda trendy but has fair size tits, the other lad we were with was in a light pair of baggys and a light coulor top on, and had a real problem getting in even though he was being sighned in with a member, he only got in as he has long hair.

since when doz the lenth of your hair or or the colour of your clothes make any diffrence to the kind of person u are, or the kind of attitude you have.

the lad in question had never been to a a club of that kind before, nothing even remotly close to it, infact hering the stuff at the sheep on drugs gig was his first real taste of industrial music he ever had, but he fucking loved it.

i used to get dressed up when i went outm but now to be fair i just cant be assed, i dont feel i need to ware leather, PVC etc to fit in, if ppl dont want to talk to me coz i dress diffrent to them then i dont want to talk to them basicly, the ALT sceen is about music, expression, induviduallity, so why should u have to conform to a dress code, surely that makes it a trendy club of sorts, and alternative ppl cant come in, as if your dressed diff u cant get in.

i wore a pair of baggy shorts and a vest, and was off me tits and had a great night, were as if i wore PVC i would of been sweaty as fuck and felt uncomftorbal and prob not of had as mutch fun.

i hope i have got across what i ment to say coz i seem to have just gone on about it as it was the only thing wrong with my night witch in itself was fucking fantastic baring that and a few personal probs im going through. Next time im in london i will want to cheak it out thats for sure, but i feel it might be a while yet, as i live far far away in a distant shitty northern town,and only been to london 3 times in my life.

kelx

06-05-2003, 01:23 PM

faticeira

06-05-2003, 01:30 PM

Having a dress code/door policy is an effective way of encouraging individual style. Over the past 11 years I have seen some truly original fashion/trends pass through the club. If the dress code is loosened there is less incentive to make such an effort.

If you want to wear jeans go to the park! :twisted:

Very true. Thought of many things that could be done to encourage dressing up. I also have heard people say that when they went the first time not dressed up, they decided to dress up the second time and had a better night and felt they looked better as well. Though I am sick of this conversation is so many ways. If people really want to go out for an evening wearing the same boring jeans and what not, then let them. Makes the rest of us stand out more ;p

Blink

06-05-2003, 09:33 PM

If people really want to go out for an evening wearing the same boring jeans and what not, then let them. Makes the rest of us stand out more ;p

Anything for you, my dear.

faticeira

06-05-2003, 11:09 PM

If people really want to go out for an evening wearing the same boring jeans and what not, then let them. Makes the rest of us stand out more ;p

Anything for you, my dear.

Ah, that was sweet of you on saturday ;p

Blink

07-05-2003, 08:47 PM

What did I do on saturday? :oops:

kerbliner

19-05-2003, 01:15 PM

Well said Cooky... :P

Kelx, Don't you think that an "Individual" style shouldn't be one that your pressured in to?

crunt

19-05-2003, 07:13 PM

I would agree that doing the whole goth uniform thing is just an extention of being a 'trendy'. Just because it's not baggy jeans doesn't mean it's hasn't been done before. Most goths/punks/'alternative people' who i have this conversation with launch into a predictable spiel about their clothing being an expression of their personality. Surely it would be more individual to wear something different from the rest of the club. And to describe yourself as a goth or put yourself in a similar catagory only limits yourself. I'm also always a little confused as to what people mean by this statement. That they listen to the music? or wear the uniform? or appreciate the creative movement?... I suppose in this case i belong to many, many subcultures as i like or agree with different elements of each of them, but have taken these elements and constructed them in a way i consider to be a little more unique than following a fashion. In my eyes 'Darkside' isn't that different from 'Topshop' it just sells different styles.
Another worry i have about the way people insist on catergorising themselves is the way it has affected some people i know. One girl has evolved into a 'Punk'. This started with musical tastes and moved on to fashion and attitude. She now seems to consider what the 'Punk' thing to do is when making decisions. She sits on the bridge in Camden drinking beer because thats a 'Punk' activity. She has lost interest in her studies because her 'Punk' friends don't consider academic pursuit to be credible. In short she has reduced herself to a personality-less carricature through the strain of living her life to a template. I'm not claiming that everyone is this impressionable but it does seem to be common among those who buy into a certain label/ style.
I myself listen to a variety of music, some of which is considered 'Goth'. I resent the fact that if i wish to go out and dance to these records i'm expected to fork out for a new outfit of pvc and velvet just to prove that i'm 'goth' enough.

And FYI i don't own a single denim item.

7thStranger

19-05-2003, 08:21 PM

Another well put forward point... nice one crunt :)

However i fear that too many people feel that they need to categorize themselves, and fear anything different encroaching them. Not all can tolerate those who express themselves differently, they feel the need to either make you conform to be like them, or just filter you out (you know... just like another of those 'Trendy' clubs).
This applies normally to issues regarding 'race' or 'religion' and other areas.... this time i will let you decide where to attach it.

I know it is not quite as serious, but it is just as narrowminded.
The only good stereotype is the one with a CD player :wink:

RANT RANT RANT

7thStranger

19-05-2003, 08:26 PM

hmmm.... may have got a few backs up........... lol

kerbliner

20-05-2003, 10:04 AM

I know it is not quite as serious, but it is just as narrowminded.
The only good stereotype is the one with a CD player :wink:

Yeah! Well put.. I think people miss what the point of nightclubs and alternitive music is.. the music.

Are you here for the sounds or to be a fashion statement..?

kelx

20-05-2003, 02:34 PM

(quote="kerbliner" = Kelx, Don't you think that an "Individual" style shouldn't be one that your pressured in to?)

I think that you can't pressure anyone in to having style, individual or not.

But, what you can do (by not alowing casual jeans/trainers) is to make people be a bit more creative.

Maybe a dress code that encourages people of a more casual/subdued nature to think about/examing there own style is a step in the right direction.

Hell, it is certainly making all of us think or this would not be such a popular topic of discussion!!

crunt

20-05-2003, 03:45 PM

Thank you 7th stranger

"Maybe a dress code that encourages people of a more casual/subdued nature to think about/examing there own style is a step in the right direction. "
But it's not only the blue jeans people that are getting hassle, it's anyone who isn't dressed 'dark' enough, i.e anyone not gothed up to the max, sporting hair extensions, piercings, tatts, wearing not much but fishnet underwear and new rock boots. This does seems a little limiting. Fair enough if you all want to look like each other but i don't see why i have to abide by certain rules in what i wear (essentially being pieces of cloth for the purpose of keeping me warm and preventing me from being arrested for indecent exposure) in order to enjoy a certain genre of music (essentially being a series of sounds that are enjoyable to listen to, as opposed to the lifestyle choice/ personal statement about who we are as individuals, that it is often mistaken for).
i loose track of whether or not i'm making sense.
before i go i'll tell you what im currently wearing- leggings, a stripey knee length skirt, a red shirt, a black fur jacket, black canvas ankle boots. All of the above were purchased from assorted charity shops because i liked the colour/fabric/cut, rather than because i thought they made a statement about who i was/ wanted to be as a person. i'm also wearing orange eye make up and have short black hair. Perhaps you can now tell me which category i fit into, where i belong, who i should befriend, which clubs i should go to...
If your outfit sums you up as a person and displays your creativity and individuality then surely you must be making your own clothes ( which i'm all for). If you bought them from cyberdog then i'm afraid chances are alot of other people have the same outfit as you and any 13 year old middle-class kid can save up their allowance and be just like you.

Blink

20-05-2003, 07:34 PM

But, what you can do (by not alowing casual jeans/trainers) is to make people be a bit more creative.

Maybe a dress code that encourages people of a more casual/subdued nature to think about/examing there own style is a step in the right direction.

I fail to understand why I should be forced to be creative in fashion when I have no talent in that direction. Maybe people should have a maths test as well, after all if we are going to judge people on their creative talents, why not judge them on their academic talents too.

Also, it is very patronising to suggest that people should be forced to "examine" their style, and take a step "in the right direction". Who defines what the "right direction" is. We could do it democratically, then the entire country would be forced to dress as "trendies".

Do you not find it patronising when casuals have a go at you for your taste in clothes, and they try and force you in "the right direction". And yet here you are doing the exact same thing.

In the end, if a club elects to have a dresscode, be it an "alternative" club, or a "mainstream" club, that is their decision. But for anyone to suggest that they are doing it "to help educate" their clientele, that is just pathetic.

***Blink, wearer of blue jeans and cyberdog...proving he has no fashion creativity. Blink, co-member of razorangel, ebm/industrial/techno type band....proving he has plenty of musical creativity...Does it make fuck all difference?***

cooky

20-05-2003, 11:58 PM

i can still see both sides of this, the main reaosn for the dress code policy is to keep trouble out of the club and stop the nights of many being ruined by a few. I live in boro up in the north east, and we get shit form ppl for the way we look, its not to bad in big citys like london, leeds, etc, but in boro u get spit on, shouted it, assaulted for looking diffrent. We dont have anything as specialized as slimelight up here, and even if we did there isent enuff to ppl to make the night sucsessful, we have some realy good ALT nights, and there getting better all the time. But as they play a whole varierty of music from metal, punk, rock, industrial, cyber etc so a dress code just wouldent work, so its up to the door staff to judge who they see fit to enter the clubs, and who not to.

Surely the doorstaff at slimelight should be able to tell the diff between a "trendie looking for a fight" and some1 who just dosent want to spend Å300 in cyber dog, for a set of clothes they can only ware ona night out, and they might just not feel comforable.

as im sat here, i have a pair of baggy-ish jeans, a NIN T shirt, and a addidas tracksuit top on, alot of piercings, a few tattoos, dreads and listening to sheep on drugs........ what catogary do i fit into?

kelx

21-05-2003, 09:29 AM

Blink

21-05-2003, 12:45 PM

I sit here laughing as some of the people who have replied to my previous post feel the need to tell me what they are wearing!! :lol:

That is my whole point, by sharing that information and by asking me to categorise you, really you are just categorising yourself!!

Why are you so interested in having me judge you? Am i sensing insecurities? :twisted:

But I do still believe that Clothes are an expression of the individual. Simple.

A person chooses to wear something because they like/want to. Therefore clothes are an outward expression of inward personality.

Patronising? Moi? i certainly like to think so.

I didn't see anybody ask you to categorise them

I did see a healthy dose of arrogance tho.

And I agree totally that clothes are a form of self expression, personally I express myself far better through my music than my clothes, but if you are shallow enough to judge someone just by what they wear, that is your problem, not mine.

You still haven't stated who died and made you god so you could "point people in the right direction"...and whatever way that is, trust me, I am heading the opposite way.

kelx

21-05-2003, 01:09 PM

I would never judge someone just by what they wear. But i do think it is a good starting place.

In my opinion (and that is all it is at the end of the day, an opinion not law or judgement) the way a person dresses is the first clue to the person underneath.

When did you last look at a total stranger and think 'wow, i really love the music that guy makes' How do you know this?

By dressing in a way that is labelled different by society a person is making an expression. It also shows to me that maybe, they think differntly like me too.

However, it does not matter how amazingly or beautifully a person is dressed if they have a complete lack of personality then i am not interested in getting to know them.

In

kerbliner

21-05-2003, 01:11 PM

Patronising? Moi? i certainly like to think so.

Ignorant more like it...

Its sad that people can't bring themselves to look through a uniform, or lack of it, and take a person for who they are, not for what they look like.

Kelx, no-one wants you to judge them. This is what the argument is about... not being judged on your appearance.

Clothes can indeed be a method of expression, but not for everybody.

Maybe Slimelight should change its policy from a nightclub for music to a a fashion show for posers? Or maybe we should all take each other for who they are, judge on their merits and chill out.

kerbliner

21-05-2003, 01:18 PM

By dressing in a way that is labelled different by society a person is making an expression. It also shows to me that maybe, they think differntly like me too.

I don't think its possible to think differently like some-one else... Surely thats a paradox.

kelx

21-05-2003, 01:31 PM

Ignorant....definately! i only know what i know, but i am working on it. :lol:

As for no-one asking me to the judge them, both Cooky & Crunt gave me a description of what they were wearing and asked me to categorise them. That was what i found amusing!

And as for slimlight changing its door policy to become a club for fashion poseurs - surely the fact it has a dress code and has had one for years should have detered you long ago if you are all for personal freedom?

kelx

21-05-2003, 01:34 PM

[quote=kelx]

I don't think its possible to think differently like some-one else... Surely thats a paradox.

It depends on your definition of differently. People can share an opinion that is considered different or unusual by other.

kerbliner

21-05-2003, 01:40 PM

surely the fact it has a dress code and has had one for years should have detered you long ago if you are all for personal freedom?

Yeah it did (see my first post).

Theres quite a dew clubs and nights in London that play this kind of music (check ot Deadsilence, Hedfuk, Stay Up FOrever and more... not to mention the hundreds of squat parties and free parties all playing gabba, hard tekno, acid tekno, industrial, noize, dark breaks etc etc). And I'm a regular at many. However, Slimelight is (or could be) a cool club. I had a great time there, but no-where else have I been made to feel so looked down upon because of my looks. --- excpet that time I went to Fabric (shudder :oops: ) and was turned away for being to sruffy/alternitive..

kelx

21-05-2003, 02:43 PM

In all seriousness, putting aside my giant ego :) I do not agree with anyone inside the club looking down on/making people feel unwelcome just because they are dressed differently to there own particular style. that truly sucks :cry:

I can honestly say that i may be an opinionated old cow but i really will talk to anyone (who can be bothered talking to me) before i decide wether or not i want them as a friend.

Blink

21-05-2003, 07:21 PM

As for no-one asking me to the judge them, both Cooky & Crunt gave me a description of what they were wearing and asked me to categorise them. That was what i found amusing!

Ah, must stop speed reading, missed that bit :oops:

As for dressing different/thinking different, I like to think that I do dress different to people at slimes (altho I do conform too) So that proves I think different too, which I think is a good thing.

Anyway Kelx, if yousee me and want to say Hi, do....I am far too shy to do it the other way round. [And I tend to be quite untalkative in clubs too, it is all about the music, and turning your brain off]

crunt

22-05-2003, 09:59 AM

no i'm not insecure.
i just wanted to know which clubs you're going to allow me to visit.

i'm so sick of so called alternative people waxing lyrical about how non-conformist they are. face it you follow fashions, you wear what's considered 'cool', basically you conform. goth may not be mainstream but it's a pretty fucking big subculture, a barcode to conform to for people who like to pretend they're too intellectual to conform. i know i make a sweeping generalisation here, but this has been the case with many 'alternatives' i've spoken to and is what i'm seeing as i read this page now. is it just a coincidence that you all look the same? a sign that you all have the same personality? because if you're all doing your own individual thing then why isn't there a vast range of clothing and styles on display at slimelight? sometimes i prefer my mainstream friends, at least they don't tell me that their french connection jacket is an expression of their creativity.
on that point how old are you people? i think i stopped using crass stereotypes to define huge sectors of society e.g "i can't speak to her she's a 'trendy' " when i was about 12. i may not have alot in common with some people, but you only find this out when you get to know them. one of the most intelligent, interesting, creative, thought provoking people i know does all her shopping in hennes. when it comes down to it we're all lumps of meat, we just like to inflict limits on ourselves by following different fashions and using this to segregate ourselves from others.

kelx

22-05-2003, 12:47 PM

[quote="crunt"]

basically you conform. goth may not be mainstream but it's a pretty fucking big subculture, a barcode to conform to for people who like to pretend they're too intellectual to conform. . is it just a coincidence that you all look the same?

AND THEN...

on that point how old are you people? i think i stopped using crass stereotypes to define huge sectors of society e.g "i can't speak to her she's a 'trendy' " when i was about 12. quote]

I am laughing even harder now Crunt :lol:

If you first statement about 'Goth' is not a crass stereotype than i do not know what is!!

And as for your 'mainstream or Alternative friends' i see you keep the two groups seperate in your head. dividing them in fact by the way they dress.

How judgemental of you Crunt to have 'mainstream' and 'alternative' friends. Quite a little crass stereotyping going on there i think :?:

Personally, i just have friends, regardless of how they dress!

kelx

22-05-2003, 12:55 PM

[quote=kelx]

Anyway Kelx, if yousee me and want to say Hi, do...]

I am not out this weekend, but i am out the week after.

I will definately come introduce myself if i see you around, cool. :)

Blink

22-05-2003, 01:47 PM

Kelx, alas I live far away from Slimelight, and so myself, my cyberdog top and my blue jeans (which I admit I am too worried about not getting let in to wear to slimes) will not be back in slimelight after this weekend for a while.

Sorry

crunt

22-05-2003, 03:16 PM

I am laughing even harder now Crunt :lol:

If you first statement about 'Goth' is not a crass stereotype than i do not know what is!!

And as for your 'mainstream or Alternative friends' i see you keep the two groups seperate in your head. dividing them in fact by the way they dress.

How judgemental of you Crunt to have 'mainstream' and 'alternative' friends. Quite a little crass stereotyping going on there i think :?:

Personally, i just have friends, regardless of how they dress![/quote]

i'm glad i amuse you so much kelx

i at no point claimed it was not a crass stereotype. in fact if you refer back to the post you'll see i acknowledged it as a 'sweeping generalisation' however it is a generalisation that has been confirmed by several posts on this thread.
yes i do see a difference in styles of dress, tastes in music, personal philosophys etc. of my friends. i'm not going to claim that i'm blind to this, i don't think anyone is, but i do appreciate and welcome this diversity in taste rather than assuming that anyone who follows a different fashion to me is a mindless thug out to beat me up.
i am quite comfortable with the fact that i do make certain assumptions about people from the way they dress. call me judgemental if you want, im aware that i am. what i find really refreshing to see are people who i look at and have no idea what their musical tastes, political opinions, hobbies, friends, hang outs... are. deny it if you want but people do dress to project a certain image about themselves.

kelx

22-05-2003, 04:38 PM

Reply to Crunt:

I find alot of hypocrisy in your last reply.

Why is it ok for you to admit to judging others on their clothes? Surely this is your own personal version of a door policy?

Also why is it fine for you to make generalisations about Goths, which you seem to think are confirmed because of a few posts on this topic?

Why is it more refreshing to meet someone who shows no outward signs of what music/political view/interests they have? Surely they would be the same person if wearing a band t-shirt?

And as I have previously said clothes are an outward reflection of inner personality. To wear clothes you like does reveal something about a persons personality.

kerbliner

22-05-2003, 05:02 PM

If you first statement about 'Goth' is not a crass stereotype than i do not know what is!!

Goth is a stereotype. any-one who wears long black coats, gets those UV dread things, spends in Cyberdog or New Rock etc is simply buying into that stereotype like it or not.. you may think ur being individual but u'll be looked at and pigeonholed in seconds by every-one else.

Not that that should matter at all... fuck em yeah? I don't care if people put me in a catagory, if they decide that they want nothing to do with me because of the logo on my tee-shirt or the colour of my hair then they probbably aint worth talking to anywayz. Its worth bearing in mind however, the image that you give to others. Obviously if you dress like a vampire and have an inverted cross burnt into ur forehead then people are gonna make some assumptions... I'm all for alternitive dress, I love the clothes and funky hair styles i really do, but Slimelight saying u can't come in if ur not dressed like us is the same stupid attitude that Fabric has which says that I can't come in if I'm wearing my trainers and don't have a button-up shirt..

It doesn't matter what u are or what u look like, so long as you stay true to yourself. (- shit, that sounds really cheesy don't it..) who cares what u wear, every-one here seems to agree it doesn't detract from who you are as a person.

If somebody judges you for what u look like then more fool them. Isn't this the kind of narrow minded idiot you want to keep out of the club?

Reply to Crunt:

I find alot of hypocrisy in your last reply.

So do I m8, but I can see ur point. U do portray an image by what u look like. Be that Goth, Rocker, Punk, raver, Ruud Bouy whatever. Its ignorant to think think that u don't. But if somebody wants to feel like they belong in a group who all wear certain clothes than thats thier choice. My argument was that this should be a choce of individual expression, not a uniform.

I'm not a goth... I don't think any-one could make that mistake of me... I think u'd have trouble putting me in a catagory. But does that mean I'm not welcome at your club? Because I don't want to conform? 'cos that sucks.

crunt

23-05-2003, 11:38 AM

"Why is it ok for you to admit to judging others on their clothes? Surely this is your own personal version of a door policy?"

i think kerbliner sums it up in his last post. if you dress to a certain style, then you are making a certain statement about yourself. this does not make me any less likely to value you as a member of the human race and take interest in your opinions its just something that i will notice when looking at you. You yourself stated "clothes are an outward reflection of inner personality. To wear clothes you like does reveal something about a persons personality "

"Also why is it fine for you to make generalisations about Goths, which you seem to think are confirmed because of a few posts on this topic? "
i think i explain a little about bad experiences i have had with the aleternative secene in my post on the 'trends in goth fashion' thread on this forum. i know it is unfair of me to let this cloud my judgement but i have never really forgiven the scene for not being accepting in the way i had hoped. again this is unfair as im sure there are alot of open minded goths its just a pity i haven't met too many.

"Why is it more refreshing to meet someone who shows no outward signs of what music/political view/interests they have? Surely they would be the same person if wearing a band t-shirt?"
Because it makes me think 'here is someone who has gone out of their way not to mark themselves as being of a certain scene'. feel free to tell me how judgemental i am, but as vocalised in my above retort and in kerbliner's post, people do make statements about their music/political view/interests in what they wear. Thus they catergorize themselves. they conform to a certain image, follow a certain trend. It's interesting to see someone who isn't influenced by any scene at all, but makes their own statement through a unique style of dress.

i eagerly await a reply to my previous question - " if you're all doing your own individual thing then why isn't there a vast range of clothing and styles on display at slimelight?"

kerbliner

23-05-2003, 11:47 AM

"if you're all doing your own individual thing then why isn't there a vast range of clothing and styles on display at slimelight?"

.... yeah. Hear hear.

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this topics getting a bit heated init! ... seriously though, theres some really good points being raised.. its nice to have some intelligent (and rather deep) debate! :wink:
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kelx

23-05-2003, 01:02 PM

"if you're all doing your own individual thing then why isn't there a vast range of clothing and styles on display at slimelight?"

Well i agree and disagree with that question.

I think that over the distant years there have been some really great styles and characters/costumes. I love to see people in the slimlight looking very different having made a real effort. it is refreshing when people turn up dressed in a way that is not expected.

I do think it is a shame that that has not really been seen as much over the past few years.

But then again i think that it is possible for people to like a particular style without losing their own individuality. If two people like the same t-shirt it does not make them the same.

But, that is the reason i am in favour of the door policy. I do think it encourages people to dress up without fear of being laughed at. There are very few places people can go wearing something really extrovert without being mocked.

Hang on a minute!!!! Just had a thought....... So how do you get in then? If the door policy is so strict and intimidating :?:

That is a serious question actually, i know it sounds a bit flippant but i am curious!! :?: :?:

I can't quite get the hang of doing the thing where quotes appear nice and easy to read in little boxes, so please bare with me :)

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this topics getting a bit heated init! ... seriously though, theres some really good points being raised.. its nice to have some intelligent (and rather deep) debate! :wink:
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Yeah, i love it!! :P i think having a good old debate with people i do not speak to all the time (by virtue of the fact we have not met yet, not by a clothing/group judgement) is a great way to spend my lunch time!! so much better than a sandwich and a polite conversation!! :lol:

By constantly questioning/defending my views i think i gain something. It is too easy to become set in a view point without questioning if you still agree with it or not. 8)

crunt

23-05-2003, 03:05 PM

"If two people like the same t-shirt it does not make them the same. "

indeed. but its a bit predictable to find yourself going goth because of an interest in exploring and expressing individuality (oh the alliteration). out of interest what attracted you two to the goth thang? (aside from damn good music)

"But, that is the reason i am in favour of the door policy. I do think it encourages people to dress up without fear of being laughed at. There are very few places people can go wearing something really extrovert without being mocked. "
true, but is this really the case? could i wear what ever off the wall outfit i wanted and not be mocked or does it have to be off the wall cyberdog or off the wall fetish wear?

"I do think it is a shame that that has not really been seen as much over the past few years. "
but why is this? i think the rise in publicity and popularity the alternative scene has faced has been its downfall. this may also be the reason for why so many of you are trying to keep slimelight as exclusive as possible. the sudden surge in teen goffs, punx, metlers etc. can be seen as a threat to the identity of many older scenesters. also the presence of goth on the catwalk would be infuriating if it wasn't quite so amusing. This is a possible reason for why goths have become so consious of who is '4real' and whos a 'poseur'.

"this topics getting a bit heated init! ... seriously though, theres some really good points being raised.. its nice to have some intelligent (and rather deep) debate! :wink:

Yeah, i love it!! :P i think having a good old debate with people i do not speak to all the time (by virtue of the fact we have not met yet, not by a clothing/group judgement) is a great way to spend my lunch time!! so much better than a sandwich and a polite conversation!! :lol:

By constantly questioning/defending my views i think i gain something. It is too easy to become set in a view point without questioning if you still agree with it or not. "

yeah this is my main interest in the internet, i love arguing, and theres nothing like a couple of random internet people finding holes in your arguement and fault in your presentation of it to make you take a good look at your beliefs. its best when you convert others to your opinions though or when they convert you. one day i hope to find a jehova's witness (sp!?) who can bring me round to their way of thinking.

kerbliner

23-05-2003, 06:06 PM

Hang on a minute!!!! Just had a thought....... So how do you get in then? If the door policy is so strict and intimidating :?:

That is a serious question actually, i know it sounds a bit flippant but i am curious!! :?: :?:

Simple awnser.. used to have a face full of metal and a 5" mohawk... I guess that was enuf. I havn't been to Slime for some time (used to come along ever couple of months or so)... last time I went (with my new job enforced lack of metal and minus mohawk) its all attitude and "you can't come in". Thats what made me post here in the first place (check my first mail).. and I've been sucked into the discussion ever since!

But, that is the reason i am in favour of the door policy. I do think it encourages people to dress up without fear of being laughed at. There are very few places people can go wearing something really extrovert without being mocked.

Ok, fair point... its clearly no fun when peolpe give you the "what-the-fuck-do-u-look-like" face, but that does work the other way 'round too. I think that Slimelight would never really attract the kind of person who would think that, why would they be there?

i think the rise in publicity and popularity the alternative scene has faced has been its downfall. this may also be the reason for why so many of you are trying to keep slimelight as exclusive as possible. the sudden surge in teen goffs, punx, metlers etc. can be seen as a threat to the identity of many older scenesters. also the presence of goth on the catwalk would be infuriating if it wasn't quite so amusing. This is a possible reason for why goths have become so consious of who is '4real' and whos a 'poseur'.

I can see where some people could see that as a threat, but is turning ur backs on new blood being "4real" or does that simply make you elitist? After all the "alternitive teens" are the future of our sub culture.

I also am in favour of a door policy of sorts.. the only reason I'm so passionatly debating this is because i was turned away and made to feel stupid... Belive me, the last thing I think u want to do is let in every motherf*cker in north london. But I just wish that it coulod be more flexable, and a little less elitist.

A few years ago I would have had no problem getting in the Slime, but now I'm more mature, wiser, more personable and generally a better person than I was back then... I feel better in myself and no longer feel the need to dress to a certain style (athough I fully admit that I did once). But now, a policy like this makes me feel unwelcome in a scene I've always felt part of. I don't really want to get any more peircings or cut my hair like that anymore, I've never liked Cyberdog clothes and I just feel dumb in fetish wear.. but does that make me less "alternitive" and less the type of party go-er welcome a Slimelight bacause I've grown up a bit (please don't think I'm insulting any-one by saying I've grown up a bit ?and no longer dress like this... each to thier own yeah? thats just the way I feel about myself)

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Blink

23-05-2003, 07:12 PM

Ok, fair point... its clearly no fun when peolpe give you the "what-the-fuck-do-u-look-like" face, but that does work the other way 'round too. I think that Slimelight would never really attract the kind of person who would think that, why would they be there?

Alas slimes does have its selection of "More goth than thou" folk, as other places have their "More Bling Bling" or "More Hardcore" or "More Messy". Just a fact of life.

Goes to show that slimelight folk follow pretty much them same patterns as the larger world.

Human is as Human does.

7thStranger

23-05-2003, 08:27 PM

Alas slimes does have its selection of "More goth than thou" folk, as other places have their "More Bling Bling" or "More Hardcore" or "More Messy". Just a fact of life.

Goes to show that slimelight folk follow pretty much them same patterns as the larger world.

Human is as Human does.

Yup... at the end of the day it's just a change in the packaging (whether it's GOTH, TRENDY, CASUAL, HIPPY, GANGSTA etc.., the attitudes remain the same <keep 'THEM' the f**k away from 'US'>
It seems to me that being 'alternative' is just a matter of opting for one of the afforementioned categories in your look, even though it is the least popular.
So i guess there is no 'alternative' scene other than the people who don't categorize others and refrain from judging people before even getting to know them.

But then that's me ...... Different

I am still human..... honest :)

crunt

24-05-2003, 04:02 PM

I can see where some people could see that as a threat, but is turning ur backs on new blood being "4real" or does that simply make you elitist? After all the "alternitive teens" are the future of our sub culture.

i put 4real and poseur in inverted commas as a think this is a very snobby attitude, but one i've come across in a suprisingly large number of 'non-judgemental' goths. obviously many teenagers will stop being interested in the alternative scene as they get older but there will be some who will have a continued passion for the music and subculture. many people on the scene though seem to detest these 'trendies', 'minors', 'kiddiewinks' etc. and refuse to take them seriously/ have anything to do with them.

"Yup... at the end of the day it's just a change in the packaging (whether it's GOTH, TRENDY, CASUAL, HIPPY, GANGSTA etc.., the attitudes remain the same <keep 'THEM' the f**k away from 'US'>
It seems to me that being 'alternative' is just a matter of opting for one of the afforementioned categories in your look, even though it is the least popular.
So i guess there is no 'alternative' scene other than the people who don't categorize others and refrain from judging people before even getting to know them. "
well said.

to me 'goth' seems to be simply a different barcode to any other group of people. why does everyone have to belong to a certain sect?
also will someone explain to me how 'alternative' is alternative

kelx

27-05-2003, 12:43 PM

[quote="crunt"]"out of interest what attracted you two to the goth thang? (aside from damn good music) quote]

I am not in to the Goth thing actually. I did have a short goth faze whilst at college (probably only lasted a month or so). i do not really like the Music/dress style. :)

I prefer punk/ska music.

I just like the slimelight for the atmosphere/people.

Skylizard

27-05-2003, 01:03 PM

many people on the scene though seem to detest these 'trendies', 'minors', 'kiddiewinks' etc. quote]

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The best referance for these people is Gummy Goths
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crunt

28-05-2003, 11:01 AM

I prefer punk/ska music.

I just like the slimelight for the atmosphere/people.

so all this time i've been beefing it out with a ska kid?

are you into the tartan trousers thing?
one of my favourite debates is 'is punk rock dead?'. maybe we should start that one up.

"The best referance for these people is Gummy Goths "
so anyone under the age of 20 is a 'gummy goth' as you so eloquently put it, or does this apply to nu-metlers only?

kelx

28-05-2003, 12:40 PM

[quote="crunt"][quote="kelx"]

so all this time i've been beefing it out with a ska kid?

Ska yes! kid sadly not.

are you into the tartan trousers thing?
one of my favourite debates is 'is punk rock dead?'. maybe we should start that one up.

I am not in to the tartan trousers thing either i am afraid!! Tartan skirt yes.

And as for is punk rock dead? checkout www.holidaysinthesun.net a massive event with a fine selection of 150 new/old commercial/underground punk bands over 3 days with a yearly turn out of 5000!! dead pah! defiantely not 8)

The expression "Gummy Goth" did make me laugh alot!! I guess if i do not mind being called an "Old Timer" then i have the right to laugh at that!! :lol:

Skylizard

28-05-2003, 12:40 PM

"The best referance for these people is Gummy Goths "
so anyone under the age of 20 is a 'gummy goth' as you so eloquently put it, or does this apply to nu-metlers only?[/quote]

Gummy Goths is a term I use for most people who try be something thay are not, but in the goth scene that is pretty big. The rebellious young trying to shock the parents etc etc...
As to Nu metal, you don't want to get me started on that, especially since I'm from the generation when metal was metal and not the crap that people listen to today. Yes i know all the arguments things change so everything adapts etc but I'm sorry this genre of music that kids are subjected well i'm at a loss to describe how crap it really is. Bring back the old school style bands like Death, Malevolent creation, Hypocrisy, Entombed, Deicide (yes they still are around) and the list goes on. I'm not even going to mention the new bands because i'm already laughing to much.

But in the end it's whatever gets you off I suppose.

kelx

28-05-2003, 12:47 PM

[quote="Skylizard"]"
As to Nu metal, you don't want to get me started on that, especially since I'm from the generation when metal was metal.

Can you believe all this 'Straight Edge' stuff!! :lol: How wrong is that!!

I too have issue with nu metal. It just sounds so fake. yuck!! :x This may be just my own arrogant opinion but i can hear the difference between someone playing it and meaning it and someone out to make a bit of money.

Guy13

30-05-2003, 04:28 PM

Gummy Goths?

I remember a few years back (...please wait a while whilst I adjust my zimmer-frame :lol: ...) people of vaguely the same description were refered to as "teeny goths". Same thing?

Gemma

31-05-2003, 05:24 AM

I call them CandyGoths, but I don't know what their official" name is. SpunkyCyberGoth? I'll stick with CandyGoth.

Gemma

31-05-2003, 05:24 AM

Fucking Double Post! Sorry.

redSpikes

01-06-2003, 12:13 PM

'Teenygoth' works for me, but i think Mini-Metallers are another important group who should not be forgotted while talking about subcultural elements who are seen as 'Them' rather than 'Us' by the scene as a whole.

As far as gothy clubs go, i think Slime does fairly well on the Teenygoth / miniMetaller front - if you compare it to the 'leccy ballroom, at least.

I'm not going to let myself get drawn into the whole Nu-metal v. Proper Metal argument, either: but i think we're all on the Correct side of the fence here, so there's no need to talk about it further. ;)

Ivanov

01-06-2003, 03:17 PM

redSpikes

01-06-2003, 03:36 PM

You're not crazy at all.

My problem with nu-metal is that i dont like what it sounds like or does to my head. :D

crunt

01-06-2003, 08:35 PM

Hmm, I'm on the side of the fence that judges music based on how it sounds to me and what it does in my head, as opposed to judging it based on what other people will think of my opinion about it. Call me crazy.

indeed
i'm sure that there are some bands that would be acceptable if advertised differently. obviously this doesn't apply to limp bizkit or what ever, but there is a tendency to dismiss anything created in the last couple of years as being shit purely because people don't like the idea of having anything in common with the nu metal generation. at some point in everyones lives they've been put off a band they would have otherwise enjoyed because the group was considered uncool or cheesy.
that said music in all genres seems to have got worse over the last few years.

Skylizard

01-06-2003, 09:02 PM

the group was considered uncool or cheesy.
that said music in all genres seems to have got worse over the last few years.[/quote]

Sorry don't agree with you at all, I have a large music taste so I don't dismiss stuff just out of hand , but most of today's commercial music is crap. Not becasue people dismiss it as new and catergorize so, no, they dismiss because it really is shite. To say all genres have become worse, well I can only assume you have a very small taste range in music to say that. The electro scene AKA EBM is pushing out some really good stuff at the moment and with the assurgemnce of Dark Electro Hocico, dulce Liquido, Dioxyde and tthe awaited debut album of Amduscia, this is really looking good on this front as well. I'm a pure Noise man myself, probarbly becasue of my deep rooted Metal and Early underround rave scene, and we have seen a very big growth in this side of music,Winterkalte, Converter, this Morn Omina(not The One Eyed Man Song)Synascape, Imminent, Asche have all taken this genre to new levels allowing the new bands to be creative without been condemned for trying something new. I'm not really into Future pop but this is defitely a growing genre, maybe the Goth scene is the only one that has not really evolved or spawned something new, not really into that so won't comment. To sum it all up, there is some really tasty music out there with some really good stuff still to come. Forget mainstream, it will always be a one hit wonder corporate sell out, IE NIN and MM, even though I love both bands when last did they do something really good, and I mean good( this is the foothold world of the nu metallist and gummy goth)

Gabe

02-06-2003, 02:06 AM

Nice to see the topic has changed onto something a bit more interesting, rather than everyone just blethering on about a dress code that's been in force for years and will never change!

Ivanov

02-06-2003, 02:25 AM

Fair enough!
I think I sounded more confrontational than I'd intended - my bad =p

Skylizard

02-06-2003, 07:48 AM

Fair enough!
I think I sounded more confrontational than I'd intended - my bad =p

Why apologise! debate is open, speak and be heard. Let somebody else shoot you down in flames.

Guy13

02-06-2003, 01:21 PM

The main issue I have with nu-metal is that it is so contrived. Limp Bizkit's Fred Durst just so happens to be a major label vice-president, Linkin Park more or less admit that they're a manufactered boy-band...the list goes on. :evil:

I admit that I'm am biased, having a metal/industrial background, but when bands/artists struggle to get recognition whilst pumping out highly personal and original material and then the "evil industry" goes and creates totally formulaic, generic ear candy then it is no wonder that we get mini-metallers and teeny-goths wandering around without a clue about what people would consider good music at the Slimelight. :roll:

I apologise for my little rant.

zorbatd

02-06-2003, 04:11 PM

Don't apologise, there's no need.

The amount of people you see reguarly who like such music because it's "the thing to do" is inumerable.

The creation of such bands may be necessary to keep the inustry going, but you're right. There are so many really good bands out there, who are writing there own stuff and struggling to get going, then you get the whole manufactured band thing who do very little, get their songs written for them, etc and do not deserve the record sales and attention they get, in my opinion.

I'm not saying that I hate them. I'll admit, I like some of the songs they turn out, but I'm not sure they put enough effort into the songs to get what they recieve.

crunt

03-06-2003, 10:22 AM

I can only assume you have a very small taste range in music to say that.

i wouldn't say thats true, i like most musical genres. my comment was a generalised observation. i'm not claiming that every band around now is shit, i just think that on the whole most music was better a few years ago than it is now.

"Linkin Park more or less admit that they're a manufactered boy-band...the list goes on." -guy13

no they don't, they strongly deny being manufactured. i don't see it as being particularly significant how they got together, i just don't like their music. i do respect that the singer is obviously talented, they're just not my cup of tea.

Skylizard

03-06-2003, 10:57 AM

i wouldn't say thats true, i like most musical genres. my comment was a generalised observation.

Maybe on the commercial front, which it definitely is true, the music is very shite, but i for one am glad at how underground scene has grown and evolved to what it is.

kerbliner

13-06-2003, 03:43 PM

Human is as Human does.

What a good quote.... sums it up really. The world is full of wankers and lots of them go clubbing in London. :roll:

houseofborgia

13-06-2003, 04:15 PM

i think the dress code is there as much as for our own protection as anything, stops large groups of hooligan types getting in as the dress policy is a valid reason to turn them away. it also adds to the client comfort knowing this.
plus, black shows up less dirt from the club (come on youve all said it)
i vary between full on goth/cyber/industrial punk looks, straight down to an old tshirt and combats in there!
its black it does, i am gother then thou internally etc etc
however, all men should be dressing their best in full extremes-im single i want to look. (joke)

Blink

13-06-2003, 06:35 PM

however, all men should be dressing their best in full extremes-im single i want to look. (joke)

About which bit, the men dressing their best, or you being single?

Skylizard

13-06-2003, 09:05 PM

i think the dress code is there as much as for our own protection as anything, stops large groups of hooligan types getting in as the dress policy is a valid reason to turn them away. it also adds to the client comfort knowing this.
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Somehow I don't think so. Having been there on the evenings when downstairs is rented out to those hip hop idiots and later during the evening they are allowed upstairs into Slimelight, doesn't constitute abandonment of the hooligan type into the club, rather the opposite it is allowed and i'm sure any of the female species reading this will agree they get gawping mouths and idiot comments from these people. This is something I don't agree with Slimelight allowing and should be stopped.

Necromancer

15-06-2003, 12:33 PM

Well, I live up in newcastle, and I do DJ'ing for a little night called the charnel house, and that is an industrial/goth night held twice a month. Now whilst we do play goth/industrial/punk...well, lets just say we attire to all tastes goth and thereabouts, we have no formal dress code. People are not criticised for what they wear, they come to have fun. Isnt that what its all about? Having fun? Remember those days? Well, now Ive never been to Slimelight, but am planning to do so very soon....me and all my mates that are coming are a combination of goth/punk/crossdressers....were all in goth spirit, all up for a good night out (even though I think these new platform boots will kill me)...and if the doormen are going to be predjudice, then that will discourage anyone from going to the club again. Ive been goth for years, well to my mind i have anyways...and what would give the doorman the right to turn people down because they 'dont look the part'

It should really be all on age limit, consumation of alcahol, and such, not because someone dosent look the part...its all about individuality and having fun/up for a laugh

There...rant over
Im off to bed

TheWretched

20-07-2003, 06:58 PM

yesterday was my first night at slimelight (I'm from germany and not too often in london). Concerning the dress code I'd say that it is not too tough: I had no problems at the door by just wearing completely black.

I agree in the argument that a dress code is a good protection against hooligan type of people. I experienced this problem a lot in frankfurt where you have these people come to a goth club just for the purpose on starting fights and talking shit to people who are dressed up.

Dr_west

22-10-2003, 02:04 PM

im the exact same, i love the music, so as far as im concerned combats, dm boots and t-shirts are the only things ull see me wearing..
mike

collapsedperception

27-01-2004, 08:17 PM

I shall hopefully attending slimes with my older brother soon, I was worried that we might not get in for 2 reasons:

1.)I personally consider myself a goth and not a spookykid I may where baggies but I've been listening to goth music for like 2 years and I have over 100 albums buy goth/ebm artists, but I dont dress much like a goth...why? because I dont want to and I feel comfortanble in the clothes I wear. I'm currently chilling in a cyberdog tee and some baggies, my atire to go to slimes wouldnt be much different either. will I get in?

2.)My older brother of 23, is a professional designer and wheres cyber/urban designer tee's and trousers...he's raver at heart and goes to clubs (such as slinky and godskitchen) all the time. He's herd some ebm songs and really likes them and wants to go clubbing to them, but because he doesnt own much black and has a fashionable hair cut he most probly wont get in.

this annoys me cause he puts a supremist idea in his head that goths are dickheads that are bitter....

If we get cyberdoged up will we get in?

28-01-2004, 10:19 AM

I don't reckon you'll have any problem!! 8)

InArticuloMortis

30-01-2004, 07:13 PM

Skylizard

30-01-2004, 07:35 PM

Dress code strikes me as a very good idea.
Although i have to admit that i havn't been to Slimelight, yet! Partly, indeed, due to the dress code. I dress up, I LOVE dressing up :D , but i just find it slightly intimidating someone judging wether you can come in or not....thats just me being very silly. :oops:
However, i think that the dress code is part of its appeal, knowing that i wont get trapped by girls in the loo's, wearing sparkley blue jeans questioning me about what i'm wearing!

Hopefully i will meet some of you very soon! Cos I have given up trying to convince any frends to come with me, i will be all on my lonesome! I am planning to come next Sat.

Jessie.

Alot of people have come by themselves and met up with people on this forum. don't let your friends hold you back from havinga good time, and as for the dress code, as long as you look gothic in some form or another you'll get in, black jeans docs and a t-shirt never fail, for a boy or girl...

InArticuloMortis

30-01-2004, 07:39 PM

Thankx! :P

Skylizard

30-01-2004, 07:40 PM

Thankx! :P

:wink:

heartcore

03-02-2004, 05:26 PM

I myself had tried to enter with a friend of mine who was turned away at the door because of his clothes.

I do agree that not anyone should be allowed in, its a matter of respect.
But what about paying so much attention in what we/others wear, discuss it all the time and at the end leave music (which I think is the most important aspect) aside.

I am starting to think if slimelight is a place where all the dark/extreme etc dressed people go and just happens to play goth/ebm etc music.

Coz I really see many people dressed up with pvc, leather, spikes, spare parts u name it, not 2 care much about what music they are hearing.

What I truly believe is that music should be above all, then all the rest and I wonder if it is really happening

03-02-2004, 05:33 PM

The problem there is that the doorstaff wouldn't be able to judge whether the trendily dressed bloke who says he likes NIN, really does like 'em, or whether his mate has just told him to say that!!

Obviously, there are many more arguments here, but the staff have to judge new punters on something tangible ... hence the dress code thing!

04-02-2004, 03:17 PM

I only have one friend whos into the kind of music at Slimes so don't go as often as I want :( (I couldn't go alone...too shy :oops: )

Cos of this I never saw the point in splashing out on a whole load of gear that would only get used once every six weeks. I was always a bit of a closet Goth, but with all my friends being the usual Indy kids I didn't get into the scene or know any people like that. Maybe I didn't have the courage of my convictions?

Anyway, I digress. When I go, I usually adopt a sort of all black, early 80s Gary Newmanesque look and have always got in.

The first time we went it was spare of the moment and I forgot to mention the kind of club it was to my friend and he wore a paisley shirt and a pair of purple flared cords(!) The bouncer wasn't impressed, so *BIG* thanks to the group of Cyberpunks who vouched for us, getting us in. So it doesn't seem too hard to get in. I guess I'll change my mind about that the day I'm turned away.

On balance, I like the idea of a dress code policy. I like the fact that people make an effort and I love the spectacle of seeing all the different outfits. It makes it more of an event. Too many blokes with white trainers and kappa tops would dilute the most unique club in London - but saying that, its really unfair not to let people in if they're not alternative *enough*. I mean, where do you draw the line...?

fad

04-02-2004, 04:25 PM

I mean, where do you draw the line...?
Right between the front door-step and the street!!:)

05-02-2004, 11:36 AM

boom boom! :)

Looking at other posts in this area it seems quite a few are paranoid about not getting in/not conforming to the dress code. If you've come from from way outside London just to go there - as people do - I can imagine why they get pissed off. The day I get turned away I can just toddle off back home up t' road. But I'll cross that bridge if/when I come to it!

deco

28-02-2004, 04:26 PM

wow, i've only just registered here today and i have to say the volume and depth of discussion on the dress code is overwhelming.

i only get to slimes around six times a year and i always wear baggy jeans. i only have baggy jean to wear.

i suppose i must have been lucky on the door but i think it's a shame really to find out i was innocently winding people up.

i like to dance and baggy clothes make dancing (for me at least) natural rather than an effort not to mention i look ill in tight trousers.

i totally dig what others have said about the overall ambiance and look of the place and that of course it just wouldn't be the same if the dress code was otherwise.

the undead skater look just doesn't work then, or am going to be okay as long as i make enough effort with the slap? i do try to.

Voodoobutter

28-02-2004, 07:01 PM

Can I get in with grey underwear, or will it need to be black/cyber?

fad

29-02-2004, 06:18 PM

Sorry, all underwear MUST (and I cannot emphasise this too much) be made of leather (or a cheaper leather substitute) from march 1st 2004. Doorstaff will begin checking that appropriate undergarments are in fact worn from the first Sat of the month and those failing to comply will be daubed with spray paint to indicate such.....and on every third week it has to be Pink!! (Faded red permissable if accompanied by a note from a parent or guardian)
Sorry, but you gotta have rules!!!

mr_trikkle

29-02-2004, 10:02 PM

phew for last night, gonna have to go shopping now i guess
but aere undergarments truely necessary

to the peeps not liking the way slimes is:
if you're only there for the music, and dont like it, why not just go elsewhere to somewhere aformentioned that also plays the variety of music?

Voodoobutter

01-03-2004, 10:34 PM

Fad,

me and my friends did invent a special type of fabric known as Spether, which is like leather but has the elasticity of Spandex. It can be used for anything really, as it's entirely indestructible.

In light of what you just told me, we might make the jump to underwear production.

fad

02-03-2004, 07:39 AM

Have you considered making a full outfit out of it and fighting crime?! It would seem the obvious thing to do next.

Voodoobutter

02-03-2004, 05:02 PM

I've thought about it, the only setback being that wearing Spether actually IS a crime.

alicethegoon

02-03-2004, 06:10 PM

Why not go natural hun? Naked is best ;) Me, I go kinky!

Voodoobutter

02-03-2004, 07:04 PM

Well Alice, I would fight crime with no clothes on, but that would be a crime too.

I'm sure we need more kinky crime fighters though. I heard Spider-Gimp is operating in Manhattan.

mr_trikkle

03-03-2004, 12:06 AM

yeh thats what i was on about, natural, or at least commando if u couldnt manage that:P, scare them evil does into a hole :twisted:

mysterious-dr-x

03-03-2004, 05:37 AM

aw, i do so need a leather bra. a friend of mine at home has one, & she decided to show me at a house party once. but she wouldnt let me steal it. bitch.

Flapjack501

04-07-2004, 10:52 PM

I enjoy most of the music from a lot of recent goth bands:

Clan of Xymox, The Cruxshadows, Excession, Razor Blade Kisses as well as some others, but I don't normally wear goth, I don't have much black stuff but I do intend to go to Slimelight at the end of this month when The Cruxshadows are supposed to be performing, but my only black things are shoes (formal), jeans, shirt (not even completely black, has some random pattern on it) and a jacket...will I need to change any of that to get into the club?

Of course, when I get a job, I will be buying a few goth things but only in the interest of getting into clubs.

sekrets

05-07-2004, 12:38 AM

I am not gothic, but for slimelight i dress up to look slightly goth. I'ts not due to following a trend tho or even because of dress code. I just think that its fun to dress up to go out like that :)

voodoodancer

28-07-2004, 05:04 PM

At the risk of opening up a thread which seems to have died down...

I'm new in London - in fact in England - and desperate to find somewhere where the music growls and moans and black figures move in blacker smoke. Problem is, I don't yet have the black-on-black outfits that would buy me entry into Slimelight, at least, and because of course I can't go there, I have less incentive to buy anything that would be more appropriate.

It seems to me that even "Goth" has *become* a fashion label. Image has become more important than interest. I agree with those who have described it as becoming "us-and-them".

If you never see anything different, how can you become anything different? In the town in which I grew up, the alternative club scene was so small that Goth and Metal and Grunge and Casual mixed like smoke, and it was only because of this that I was exposed to anything Gothic in the first place. If not for that.... I shudder to think of what I might have become.

I do agree somewhat that (if you accept that Goth is as much defined by fashion sense as anything else) a dress code would be more comfortabe, because it avoids having your Goth sensibilities offended by, say, a coloured shirt and chinos.

My 2p

snoww_wwhite

28-07-2004, 06:17 PM

I'm new in London - in fact in England - and desperate to find somewhere where the music growls and moans and black figures move in blacker smoke. Problem is, I don't yet have the black-on-black outfits that would buy me entry into Slimelight, at least, and because of course I can't go there, I have less incentive to buy anything that would be more appropriate.

It seems to me that even "Goth" has *become* a fashion label. Image has become more important than interest. I agree with those who have described it as becoming "us-and-them".

If you never see anything different, how can you become anything different? In the town in which I grew up, the alternative club scene was so small that Goth and Metal and Grunge and Casual mixed like smoke, and it was only because of this that I was exposed to anything Gothic in the first place. If not for that.... I shudder to think of what I might have become.

I do agree somewhat that (if you accept that Goth is as much defined by fashion sense as anything else) a dress code would be more comfortabe, because it avoids having your Goth sensibilities offended by, say, a coloured shirt and chinos.

My 2p

i have to go to places like slimelight because i cannot handle heavy metal (rock) or whatever... raves are fine but only if they are not too happy hippy. it also seems that my fashion label is neither omen nor spank, cyberdog or sinister. it looks like i get my fashion at marks and spencers, next, TK max and whatever highstreet store...
i always come out with the black gear and look somewhat goth i guess (not even intentionally)
even without my eyeliner i would get into slimelight without question and to be honest one of my favourite outfits are from asda:
skirt : Å4.40,
blouse: Å3.50
tiights: Å5.00

only the shoes arent from there, either my ecco combats or my docs...
hardly the glamourous hot topic 'goth' outfit.

goes to show that its just not a fashion for some but seems to happen naturally.

if you need a style consultant i am more than happy to help ;)

but if you hate all black, try all bright green, yello or white instead?

sekrets

28-07-2004, 09:57 PM

or you could come dressed in a fluffy penguin costume!

Kite

28-07-2004, 10:16 PM

As long as you dress with a creative sense and don`t look like what the Brits call Townies, you`re fine. I have my own sense of style since I was a teen, but it`s not my style that matters, it`s my love of the darker realms of music.

fad

29-07-2004, 12:38 AM

Flapjack501, if you're coming to the Cruxshadows before the Slime opens, dress-code is not an issue. For gigs outside of Slimelight hours we'll let people with tickets in regardless of dress....it's just that if you intend to stick around after the band for the club (as most do) you'll feel a lot more comfortable if you don't stick out like a sore thumb. If you can't manage Gothy I'd go for scruffy every time, it's just dressed up Casual dick-heads we don't want getting in....but that's a story for another time:)

sekrets

29-07-2004, 01:20 AM

oh. i plan to go to see the cruxshadows but i dont have a ticket. will i need one?? or can i just pay on the door?

fad

29-07-2004, 11:49 AM

You may be able to get tickets on the door but I'm afraid we can't guarantee anything as they're selling through various outlets and going fast. If you are hoping to pick one up on the door I'd recommend being there at opening time (7.00) to (hopefully) avoid disappointment.
You could always buy them through ticket-web and pick them up on the door if you want to be absolutely sure of entry!!

Morella

21-09-2004, 04:07 PM

snoww_wwhite

21-09-2004, 04:15 PM

21-09-2004, 04:19 PM

Perhaps Fad should sniff their armpits on the way in!! :lol: :wink:

Guy13

21-09-2004, 04:34 PM

Perhaps Fad should sniff their armpits on the way in!! :lol: :wink:

What a disturbing mental picture that conjures up! 8O

snoww_wwhite

21-09-2004, 05:25 PM

Perhaps Fad should sniff their armpits on the way in!! :lol: :wink:

maybe not!!!

but maybe people could be stopped when they are obviously wearing filthy red t-shirts as seen at the last slimelight...
and even without sniffing armpits i think its bloody obvious who is a smeller and who isnt...

why not make a rule "look the part and you can get in"... oh.. then again, there was this rule somewhere or am i wrong? :roll: :? 8O

Kite

21-09-2004, 05:30 PM

maybe not!!!

but maybe people could be stopped when they are obviously wearing filthy red t-shirts as seen at the last slimelight...
and even without sniffing armpits i think its bloody obvious who is a smeller and who isnt...

why not make a rule "look the part and you can get in"... oh.. then again, there was this rule somewhere or am i wrong? :roll: :? 8O

Hey now!
I just started wearing the red Suicide Commando and red hakama outfit. Red shirts are OK, nasty stinky armpits are not :P Anyway, everyone should shave the 'pits, that'll cut down on the smell.

Guy13

21-09-2004, 05:30 PM

why not make a rule "look the part and you can get in"... oh.. then again, there was this rule somewhere or am i wrong? :roll: :? 8O

Err...yeah, I was under that impression too! :twisted:

Kite

21-09-2004, 05:39 PM

why not make a rule "look the part and you can get in"... oh.. then again, there was this rule somewhere or am i wrong? :roll: :? 8O

Err...yeah, I was under that impression too! :twisted:

Burberry! :twisted:

Guy13

21-09-2004, 05:43 PM

everyone should shave the 'pits, that'll cut down on the smell.

I think not, you lady-boy, you! :roll: :twisted: :wink:

Kite

21-09-2004, 05:49 PM

everyone should shave the 'pits, that'll cut down on the smell.

I think not, you lady-boy, you! :roll: :twisted: :wink:

I think you meant lady's man ;)

Guy13

21-09-2004, 06:01 PM

snoww_wwhite

21-09-2004, 06:03 PM

I just started wearing the red Suicide Commando and red hakama outfit. Red shirts are OK,.

yes, hence me adding the adjective "filthy" :?

Kite

21-09-2004, 06:21 PM

everyone should shave the 'pits, that'll cut down on the smell.

I think not, you lady-boy, you! :roll: :twisted: :wink:

I think you meant lady's man ;)

I have yet to see that substantiated. :P :twisted: :wink:

One day I will show you grasshopper ;)

Kite

21-09-2004, 06:24 PM

I just started wearing the red Suicide Commando and red hakama outfit. Red shirts are OK,.

yes, hence me adding the adjective "filthy" :?

It might be considered filthy after dancing for a few hours though ;)

Guy13

22-09-2004, 09:19 AM

Morella

22-09-2004, 10:00 AM

What colage is that ?...and do they teach English there ? GREAT SENSE OF HUMOR! :p

Back to the initial post - I believe that there are times when people focus too much on dress code. My darkness and love for the scene lies within me, not according to what I wear. I love wearing the clothing but it does not justify my love for the culture.

to be honest, it sickens me that i stand in front of the mirror every time i go out for at least an hour, after i have been taking a bath and shaved my legs etc, plucked my eyebrows and combed and gelled my hair to be offended by people who cannot be bothered to at least put some clean clothes on and have a wash...

... its not just the inside that counts when the outside smells!!! :x 8O :x 8O 8O

I do agree with you on that, albeit that I have not run into that type of situation before but no doubt there is nothing worse.

Guy13

24-09-2004, 10:22 AM

snoww_wwhite

24-09-2004, 11:46 AM

But the main culprit behind this the rather feeble aircon at Slimes. Now that Autumn is here, the smell shouldn't be so bad. I tended to find that the middle floor smelt more than the top, but that's because there are more people there.

so seriously not... it may account for people needing another bath/shower after slimelight but its more than obvious who's hygene lacks as the two smells are entirely different

there is one rule :

dirty people stink!!!

She's sweating like pregnant nun.

He doesn't know much but heads the league in foul body odor.

He's sweating like a pig on a spit roast.

She sweats like an onion.

He's sweating like a Bishop in a brothel during a police raid.

She's sweating like a sumo wrestler running a marathon.

She sweats like a sumo wrestler in a sauna.

He's sweating like a turkey on Christmas Eve.

She's sweating like a whore in church.

You smell so bad, even the fishery paid you to leave.

You smell so bad, skunks run from you.

You're so dirty, a skunk smelled you and passed out.

You smell so bad, tramps shake their heads when you walk by.

You smell so bad, you have to use Black Flag for a deodorant.

You smell so bad, not even flies would go near you.

You smell so bad, you make Right Guard turn left.

As odious as a shit-house rat.

You smell bad enough to stink a dog off a gut wagon.

He doesn't know much but heads the league in foul body odor.

Go bathe your putrid carcass in industrial strength bleach.

Your fragrance of choice is "Eau De Skunk".

Slimelight now enforces a strict odour control at entry!!!!!

http://www.geocities.com/TelevisionCity/Lot/5715/bwjokes/smelly-job.jpg

:wink:

Guy13

24-09-2004, 12:09 PM

Katorak

27-09-2004, 06:27 PM

Dress code is good. Think it should be kept, as it keeps the dodgy laddish types (of which are becoming ever so prevalent in Britain) out.

snoww_wwhite

28-09-2004, 09:41 AM

Guy13

28-09-2004, 09:56 AM

Dress code is good. Think it should be kept, as it keeps the dodgy laddish types (of which are becoming ever so prevalent in Britain) out.

white trainers have been spotted all over thew place in slimelight lately and skater people.. which is not a problem in itself but there are people who have obviously never seen anything like the slimelight crowd...

a girl in polkadot skirt for instance had nothing better to do than to point and laugh at people - as seen last saturday.

thankfully she fell asleep otherwise i think i would have gone up to her and slapped her at some stage.

i mean it might be a sight to behold but i expect people to be a little curteous towards the slimelight regulars, especially if they new people are visiting slimelight for the first time... or any goth(ish) venue for the first time in their life....

i try to stay calm, i try to be nice but i find it sometimes very very hard.

we might be different, we might be weird but does that mean we have to be nasty to each other? 8O :( :? 8O

I know what you mean. There were quite a few individual running round in white trainers and blue jeans.

Whilst I was sitting, watching you and Spooky dancing just before I went home, there were some boys behind me who were really getting on my nerves! They kept making me move every 5 minutes and when I did one of them would try to steal my seat from under me! It was blatantly their first time there as they barely scrapped through on the dress code...you guessed it...white trainers and jeans. :evil: :roll: