NEW TO THE GOTH SCENE

[bellehard]

Just to say that I went to Slime for the very first time this Sat and Iit's definitely one of the best clubs I've seen in London so far! I'll be back for MORE :D That's for sure!

Anyway, I'm new to the goth scene (listen to alternative/grunge etc) and none of my friends are into goth. Basically I'm just curious and I'd like to get in touch with nice and smart goth people who are passionate about music.

Love and glitter!

[faticeira]

Would be better if on your vote you put another choice saying: or equal or that they coexist. Or something like that. I cannot choose between the music and the fashion because to me they do co-exist. And that is for most musical tastes out there.
Without the fashion, it would be pretty boring, regardless of the incredible ebm.

[bellehard]

That is so true. I'm just trying to provoke a bit, having read the dress code discussion on one of the other message boards (which I actually enjoyed very much). It just struck me when I went to Slime how extremely important outfits are within goth music - more important perhaps (well, that's why I am asking the question really) than within other music styles.

glitter

[Blink]

Heh heh heh, how can you compare Fashion to music?

Music is life, life is music, what is one without the other.

Ignore Faticeira, she listens to Steps cos she likes their outfits :wink:

Welcome to Slimes....watch out for bald weirdo who stalks the floor looking for fresh meat.

(and me, who hides on the edge of the dancefloor looking for fresh meat :wink:)

[Blink]

more important perhaps (well, that's why I am asking the question really) than within other music styles.

glitter

You have obviously never been to a real Hard House club then, such as Frantic, or Sundissential. You do get more of the beer biys there, but then you still get your fair share of cyberkids (split into fluffies and cybers), and try-hards.

[bellehard]

well no, I haven't... Maybe it's because I'm not a big fan of hard house or cute cyberkids with pink stuff that glow in the dark!

AND NO YOU CAN'T REALLY COMPARE MUSIC AND FASHION - BUT HEY!!! IT'S JUST A TEST! AND EVERYONE IS PASSING SO FAR! IT'S TOO PREDICTABLE! Booohoooo :cry:

:D

[xxxmelhar]

on the news page it says theres a three floor special this week if you are down and all the uv gang will be there in the "car park" so you can keep out of their way,but it sez there will be two floors of goth old and more recent upstairs which will a good intro to the music and styles if you are a newbie

[Blink]

well no, I haven't... Maybe it's because I'm not a big fan of hard house or cute cyberkids with pink stuff that glow in the dark!


God, I hate all the fluffy kids, I like UV, but all the kids who wear fluff, yuk!!

[Lustmord666]

The Glow in the dark Mania reminds me of the mid 80ies Ibiza Bonk around sampler...

Some things never die :D :roll: :D

And no I'm neither goth nor Cyber , just me a little Lustmord666 :twisted: :roll: :twisted:

[lilblu]

God, I hate all the fluffy kids, I like UV, but all the kids who wear fluff, yuk!!


There ain't nothin' wrong with wearing fluff and being a glowing entity as long as it's done in style!!!! :lol: :roll:

[faticeira]

Heh heh heh, how can you compare Fashion to music?

Music is life, life is music, what is one without the other.

Ignore Faticeira, she listens to Steps cos she likes their outfits :wink:

Welcome to Slimes....watch out for bald weirdo who stalks the floor looking for fresh meat.

(and me, who hides on the edge of the dancefloor looking for fresh meat :wink:)

Hmm, is blink looking to die?? >:p Anyone who has seen or knows me will not believe you anyway :)

And hey, fashion is a part of life and history...think about it. And musical taste does affect how many dress...even you blink :o I have seen your cyber stuff :D

See you later..take care,
faticeira

[Blink]

[quote="faticeira"]
And hey, fashion is a part of life and history...think about it. And musical taste does affect how many dress...even you blink :o I have seen your cyber stuff :D
[quote]

Not denying that in the slightest, merely stating that music is on an entirely different (and higher :wink:) plane than fashion.

[Zeromancer]

I dont really care about wot I wear..I mean as long as I dont look bad!
music makes u a goth in my eyes..wether its black metal or EBM or manson or even doom
Fashion means nothing to me I do think its nice people can dress up and have fun in the goth scene apose to donig wot every one around u thinks and dress up in boring black clothing(not that I think it is)....DAMN THE MAN! hehehe

xxPaulxx

[7thStranger]

Fashion is influenced by Music, but never the other way around.

Music is an Art
Fashion is a Look

Looks fade away with time, but Art is timeless

Substance over Style... i say 8)


I'm not on any substances............... i promise 8O

[Sinister]

Gothic fashion, gothic music and gothic idealogy all go hand in hand.How can anyone even attempt to seperate the one from the other. If the music moves you in mysterious ways then certainly your views would be altered and in the last instance what you experience on the inside will be over flowing in the exterior. It is just bullshit some of these claims. Of course each person searches for his/her unique identity in a sea of conformists and in a world of robots, but a certain unity is found in those who experience the same, and it is from these that the seed blossoms into a beautiful ugly flower. If it is your right or claim to an identity to wear the clothes that people wear that we would distance ourselves from without a moments hesitation, to a club where likeminded people gather to have a good time, then for fuck sake, what about my and our right to not have such tossers in our midsts? Keep it pure and keep it militant.More then anything keep it exceptional and exclusive.

[7thStranger]

If it is your right or claim to an identity to wear the clothes that people wear that we would distance ourselves from without a moments hesitation, to a club where likeminded people gather to have a good time, then for fuck sake, what about my and our right to not have such tossers in our midsts?

I would never distance myself away from people just for the way they dress, i have an open mind. I think 'Goth' dressers look great. Why get so angst at people just because they don't dress like you? It works both ways. Those who have obviously offended you in the past for the way you look obviously were not of 'Likeminds' and are no doubt pig-ignorant too, but this doesn't mean to say that you must dress the same way to be of likemind (afterall... it is in the mind). What about my right to frequent a place that plays the music i love. I can relate to 'Goths' far better than with 'Casuals' (i hate those terms), but i don't feel i need to dress as a 'Goth' in order to be different, it's apparent to anyone that knows me that i have a different twist on life and the things that matter.

Keep it pure and keep it militant.More then anything keep it exceptional and exclusive.

8O In a world with already way too much hatred and killing, do we really need such sentiments as this?

The music unites us... So why let the fashion separate us?

Simply dress how you like, and accept others for their own identity.
Fashion is just clothing afterall.
Enjoy the music... IT REALLY IS THAT SIMPLE :wink:

[Blink]

Keep it pure and keep it militant.More then anything keep it exceptional and exclusive.

What does purity have to do with militancy? That is the sort of attitude you expect from "townies".

And exceptionality has nothing to do with exclusivity. I always thought the idea was to spread the joy, not be selfish and keep it to yourself.

I am always trying to get the music I like out to other people, not keep it "exclusive", and stopping other people from seeing if they could enjoy it too.

[panic]

music uses fashion as a promotional tool
most 'goths' would not listen to 'goth music' were there not for fashion
that also applies for most other music genres, but not all
n.p. chix on speed - fashion rules [alter ego]
http://www.bizarrelove.co.uk

[Blink]

I agree music uses fashion as a promotional tool, but I would disagree about listening to music because of fashion.

The majority of music I have got into has been stuff I have gone to the effort to find out about (admittedly hearing it in clubs and such), but it involved me being inspired enough by the music to ask the DJ about it, and then go and track it down (the joys of the internet :wink:)...I have a fair few songs that inspired me at the time, but not enough to get of my arse and track down later!

I agree tho that people make a point of NOT listening to something because of fashion. (I bet most people have a few albums in their CD collection they won't admit too)

[panic]

yes, well, i did say 'most' people. you're obviously not one of them.
you'd be surprised how many people with the cure and front 242 t-shirts do not recognize 'fire in cairo' or 'body to body' :oops:
n.p. ure/karn - after a fashion [12"]
www.bizarrelove.co.uk

[7thStranger]

Is fashion more important than music?
YES
8% [ 3 ]
NO
91% [ 33 ]

Total Votes : 36


hmmmm...... interesting....... so why is it that people who love this music are being turned away just coz they are not wearing the right clothes?

[panic]

maybe because none of them said to the security: 'please let me in, i love the music and i'll behave' :D
www.bizarrelove.co.uk

[redSpikes]

That and... Slime isn't just there for the music. For those in there the muic is more important, but there's always been a policy of restricting entry in some way or another to try and keep 'something' different alive.

In my mind Slime isn't an EBM club, or a club that plays goth music... it is a Goth club. If you like the music, make the effort - in some way - with the dress.

[7thStranger]

Perhaps so.......
But i heard that Industrial/ EBM/ Darkwave and Synth music gets played at Slimes.... if that is true.... why must i dress as a 'Goth' just to dance to a different genre of music?

If it's a 'Goth' club, then i don't want to come along, i don't like much gothic music. I don't like Marilyn Manson, so why should i dress like him? I like bands such as Cenobita, Covenant, Evils Toy, Assemblage 23, The Azoic and Icon of Coil... none of which has a 'Goth' image.

If a club is gonna play so many different styles of music, how can you expect everyone who wants to come along to dress in ONE style?

[Blink]

7thStranger, we are definitely gonna have to meet up for a beer at Slimes, you have my approach to Slimes

[7thStranger]

Hey Blink :) i must say it's great to know i am not the only one who thinks this way.
I'd really love to take you up on that offer...
but they won't even let me in at Slimes anyway :roll:
Plus i don't want to scare anyone with my casual attire :wink:

[panic]

7th stranger, have you tried getting in? if so, what happened? if not, it would not hurt to dress black for the first time, then try 'normal' the second time round. i actually know few people who would not go to the slimes just for the fear of not being let in. then again, i know few of them who never dressed black and are always in...
www.bizarrelove.co.uk

[7thStranger]

panic... believe me... i've tried, and i was completely in black (underwear included.... :wink: ) it is the colour i wear most often, but still did'nt make any difference.
Anyway, i don't want to have to worry each time that i may not get in just coz of my clothes, i'm an adult... and i don't feel i should follow any crowd to be accepted, why should i change the way i feel most happy and comfortable just to cater to other peoples insecurities?... I love the music, i have bought loads of CD's by industrial/EBM bands, and i go to gigs when i can... surely the music is what counts
I don't feel like i should dress alternatively to enjoy myself, if others do.. so be it, it doesn't bother me. Just don't tell me to conform, the world has too much of that already.

[panic]

hmmmmmmmmm, there must be a reason... i know they've 'relaxed' the door policy a while ago now (you don't need people to 'sign you in' if you're not a memeber), but from what you say you probably have the right attitude. that should be enough to get you in. you must stick out in some way... are you white? 8) (the reason i'm asking is to see if you stick out of the crowd in any other visual way).

www.bizarrelove.co.uk

http://www.stanford.edu/group/King/about_king_button_f2.jpg

[7thStranger]

LOL ....... i guess i do look mediteranean ...... blimey.... i'm sure not even Slimelight would be quite so narrowminded

[Blink]

7th, I am down with a few friends on 3 May, hopefullly there will be a couple of us members. You wanna meet up before hand, and if you pass our (relaxed) test...ie you aren't a townie/woman molester/geek, then you can try and get in with us.

[panic]

there you go. getting somewhere. next time you post here i want to see the 'diary of the 7th mediterranean stranger from the slimelight'.

www.bizarrelove.co.uk

http://ia.imdb.com/media/imdb/01/I/23/40/21m.jpg

[7thStranger]

Hey cheers Blink :D that's really great of you ....... i'll let you know about that one ...
And finally.... a test i don't need to study for...... well...... not that much anyway... LOL :wink:

[bloodredleather]

after reading through quite a few of the forums i now realise i'm not alone regarding a lot of the subjects, especially the 'meeting new people' thing..
i moved to london about 3 years ago now and i still haven't managed to meet anyone that share my love for EBM, industrial, goth, electronica, darkwave, hardcore techno etc. :cry: i suppose i'm partly to blame as i'm a bit of a shy bastard, but the impression i got is that most people don't associate with outsiders and only keep to their own circle of friends.
when i first came to london i used to go to gigs and clubs on my own - how sad is that!? although i really wanted to check out the scene, goin on your own ain't much fun - actually it was shit! :evil: (although i did enjoy the gigs) :P
are there any others out there who've just moved to london or are newcomers to the scene?

[lilblu]

are there any others out there who've just moved to london or are newcomers to the scene?
What about the rest of us? :cry:

[bloodredleather]

but the rest of you don't like newcomers :cry: nah, i'm not really sayin' that. but it does seem pretty hard meetin' people who've been part of the scene for years now.. or maybe i'm not makin' too much of an effort :?

[panic]

yeah, make an effort, bitch :D

[Razorweb]

Even If I come to London a couple of times each year, I have only been to the Slimelight twice so my perspective cannot really be 100% objective.

Maybe I just chose the wrong nights, but for some reason I did not like the atmosphere. The staff was friendly and I had absolutely no problem in getting in, but once I reached the upstairs floor my friends and I were greeted with several "Who the hell are they?" stares.

I was dressed in black with pvc pants and everything but I kept feeling like most people there would open up to me only if my look were a lot more extreme.

The thing is I have no intention of becoming more extreme.
Should my look reflect my taste for extreme music? If so, why?

I don't think the fashion aspect should have much to do with "our" scene and music but I will defend anyone's right to dress in any way he/she likes. I just wish other people felt the same way.

[lilblu]

Maybe I just chose the wrong nights, but for some reason I did not like the atmosphere. The staff was friendly and I had absolutely no problem in getting in, but once I reached the upstairs floor my friends and I were greeted with several "Who the hell are they?" stares.

I was dressed in black with pvc pants and everything but I kept feeling like most people there would open up to me only if my look were a lot more extreme.

To be quite honest they probably weren't "who the hell are they stares". Most people are too wasted to talk, let alone stare. They probably can't see anyway. There have been a few groups over the years that are very "clicky" however most of them have disapeared over the years. So you should be quite safe now, the majority of us are quite harmless. :) :wink:

[Razorweb]

Maybe I just chose the wrong nights, but for some reason I did not like the atmosphere. The staff was friendly and I had absolutely no problem in getting in, but once I reached the upstairs floor my friends and I were greeted with several "Who the hell are they?" stares.

I was dressed in black with pvc pants and everything but I kept feeling like most people there would open up to me only if my look were a lot more extreme.

To be quite honest they probably weren't "who the hell are they stares". Most people are too wasted to talk, let alone stare. They probably can't see anyway. There have been a few groups over the years that are very "clicky" however most of them have disapeared over the years. So you should be quite safe now, the majority of us are quite harmless. :) :wink:

Maybe you're right but could it really be that lots of people are already wasted at 11 when the club night lasts until 7am? :D :D

Tomorrow morning I'm leaving Milan for a week-end in London.
I thought I'd skip going to the Slimelight this time but maybe I'll give it a try again 8)

[antic]

both important. fashion and music are part of one supreme thing. less important is what you drink, with whom you make love, and whether you go for a night bus or book a limo to ge home from angel ;)

[mum]

Razorweb, all the people giving you 'who the hell are they' stares are might be feeling just as anxious wondering why you are staring back at them.

It's not unusual to feel intimidated at slimes, what with all the funny hair and big boots and stuff. Except the very people you think are 'looking down their noses' probably feel just as self conscious as you do

It's all too easy to misinterpret insecurity as arrogance and I think this is what you've probably done.

[cyberdolly13]

i chose music but without the clothes it would be pretty pointless but if i had to chose i would chose ebm because clothes are peicees of material that wont last forever but a peice of music lasts aslong as you want it to, :P

[Vamp_Angel]

I think on this scene both the music and clothes are equal, though some may disagree. I've been on the goth scene some years now but this sat (3rd May) was my first venture to slimes.

I tend to go out round Birmingam of a weekend and tbh we have nothing similar to what slimes offeres in by which i refer to the noise room. The atmosphere was brilliant but i will add there was alot of clickness surrounding the female cyber goths. I had no problem chatting to the men and i danced just as good as any of em on the dance floor but it was a shame that alot as i mentioned before snubbed me just cus of what i was wearing. Yeah ok i was wearing more trad stuff but hey surely we shouldn't be acting funny between ourselves when there are far more ppl out there who just don't understand the scene as a whole. So ok, we will get that where ever we are whether we are goth or follow the popular scene.

I did see alot of you also that i know that i tend to see at the later Whitby weekends, which was nice. Funny in a way also cus ppl tended to look at me like "i know you from somewhere!", just a shame those same ppl didn't chat. I'm far from shy and prolly talked some of yyou to death but that's me............friendly! :D

[ZRNA]

Saying that music is art, and fashion is just looks is narrow-minded - fashion can be art no less than music. And people who say it just don't have the guts to do something interesting to themselves. Besides, for many bands looks were essential part of their success(Sigue Sigue Sputnik for example).
And without the looks and fashion world would have been a dreadful place.

[Taberah]

I'd have to agree with you there, ZNRA. Yes, the music is probably the thing which gives us substance but fashion gives us notoriety and sets us apart and that, to me, is equally important. If it wasn't for the likes of Siouxsie Sioux spawning the goth look, we wouldn't have anything to go by and we'd probably look (ALMOST) as bad as the "normals"... JEEZUS, does anyone know a "non cringe-worthy" word for non-goths. Cos I find myself rubbing my jaws every time I say "normal" or "trendy". HELP NEEDED.

[Vamp_Angel]

My word for the TRENDIES is the populars or popular ppl, though i just call em trendies when i can't be arsed. :lol: